Sid: I love it where it’s talking about the one new man in the book of Ephesians the 2nd chapter. And it says “When the two become one that the full presence of God will be demonstrated on earth.” That’s the why the devil is working so hard to destroy the nation Israel; that’s why the church has so much crazy teaching about replacing the Jew and Israel because the devil’s worst nightmare is when the spiritual DNA of a Jewish believer in Jesus combines with the spiritual DNA of a gentile believer in Jesus and makes a full dwelling place of God by His Spirit. Now my guest is Perry Stone because Perry has just come out with a new teaching series that I mean it caught my ear so strongly when I heard him talking about the teaching on the book of Revelation. Because I was one Perry that is I’m such a pragmatic; and my biggest asset is my biggest liability. I’m a pragmatic type of person; I’m a logical type of person and as you know you don’t have all the facts because you’re dealing with God. But if I can’t understand the book of Revelation I’m not going to spend a lot of time with it. But when you came out with your 7 DVD’s series and syllabus called “Breaking the Apocalypse Code,” and by the way what does the word apocalypse mean?
Perry: Well, in Greek the Apuleius is actually the real book of Revelation in Greek. And it means the unveiling of the something that was hid; something that was concealed to unveil it to release the understanding of it.
Sid: And if there ever been a time to release the understanding of it it’s now. I have to ask you this question. Based on your 80,000 hours of research how close are we to the return of Jesus?
Perry: You know I get asked that question quite a bit and honestly to put a summary on time I could say I really don’t know I don’t have a clue because God’s time is not always our time. I will tell you though the alignment of… in Daniel 11 the fall of Egypt and the collapse of Egyptian government and the situation there, the collapse of Libya those are two nations specific listed in Daniel 11 that the future anti-Christ will take over. So there had to be a shakeup in the governments there to create a void. The situation in Syria where we almost went to war with Syria. And the fact that he has the chemical weapons; you know Isaiah 17 talks about Damascus being destroyed. And then you have Ezekiel chapter 38 and 39 which is a very famous well known prophecy about the war of Gog and Magog and it mentions Persia as one of the leading nations that will be an enemy of Israel. And of course Persia is Iran and for several years Iran has been attempting to develop nuclear weapons and Israel has had to worry about that and deal with that. And so those types of predictions especially as it relates to wars; because we know that the antichrist in chapter 13 says “Who can make war against him.” Wars are going to be very prominent in the time of the end and also during what we call; the Bible calls tribulation period. Those are some of the indicators that were really moving into another cycle. I think Sid that prophecy moves in seasons and it moves in cycles. You know even the disciples… Christ said to the disciples “That it’s not for you to know the times or the seasons of when I’m going to set up the Kingdom in Israel that the Father has put in His own power.” And so Paul later writes in Thessalonians “Brethren you have no need that I write to you of the times and seasons because now you know perfectly well that the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night.”
Sid: Well based on your 80,000 hours of research.
Perry: Hmm hm.
Sid: Is there anything stopping the Lord’s return in the next decade?
Perry: I don’t see anything. I see that there are two major prophecies that are going to be fulfilled by the church. The church is the only one that can fulfill these. Number 1 is Matthew 24:14 “The gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world to all nations and then the end would come.” So the message of the gospel and that Christ is coming; that’s the Kingdom that the King is coming. And it’s going to be revived around the world; people are going to begin to hear about the return of the Lord. They’re going to be knowing it and when that message spreads and people receive it. And only God knows when that fullness of times comes and it is called the fullness of time in Ephesians chapter 1:9 & 10. The dispensation of the fullness of time; that’s when He gathers together the family of God in Heaven and Earth. Only God knows that time. When that takes place that’s part of the church’s assignment for the time of the end. And the 2nd is in Acts chapter 2 also mentioned in Joel 2 how the Holy Spirit is going to be poured out on all flesh in the last days and there will visions and there will be dreams. This is happening already.
Sid: Especially to Muslims and Jews which is really getting me excited.
Perry: Oh, we’re seeing Muslims contact us that are having visions of Jesus appear to them and say “He is the way and the truth and the life.” And they’re turning their heart without any actual preacher preaching to them.
Sid: Perry on yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about a great great heresy thats sweeping throughout Christendom. And it’s called; it has lots of names it’s called “kingdom now” or “preterist” which believes that every things been fulfilled. And many of them believe that things are getting better and because of the church we’re going to take over and then hand the Kingdom over to Jesus on a silver platter when He returns. That things are really getting better; what’s your opinion of that?
Perry: Well, if my dad were living today he would probably make a comment something like this “I can’t believe that people are that dumb to believe that.”
Sid: (Laughing)
Perry: But looking at it from a total scriptural perspective go; this is what I would say to anyone. Go to the New Testament scriptures about the time of the end this is the last days the seducing spirits; departing of the faith. Just look at the verses that they wrote and they have two train tracks going in the same direction toward the time of the end. On one you have the church who has overcomers. Who are going to be overcomers; who are going to be looking for the Lord to return but at the same are doing the work of God. And it’s a glorious church without spot, wrinkle or blemish; the true church. So you have that church and they’re all over the world. Same time running on a parallel track “In the last days some will depart the faith giving head to seducing spirits; doctrines of devils; conscience seared with a hot iron; truce breakers; incant unthankful; unholy.” You start reading not just about the signs of earthquakes, famines and pestilence which we always through history we’ve had those now than we’ve ever had which is a sign. But when you look at what he describes Paul wrote to Timothy about he describes the condition. Roman’s 1 “Men with men; women with women doing that which is unseemly, worshiping the creature more than the creator. All these things; the days of lot; the days of Noah comparing those times to now. You can’t see the world getting better because right now in Ephesians chapter 2 Satan is the power of the air. But in Corinthians Paul called him the god of this world. And in Luke 4 if you want a verse that really will amaze people when they read it when Satan is tempting Jesus to bow and worship him and he says “I’ll give you the kingdoms of the world.” Satan said “For they have been delivered unto me and to whomsoever I will I can give them.” Now that doesn’t sound possible because we know that in Daniel 2 God is the one that can set up a king and take out a king. So in the ultimate God can control who is there prophetically according to His will. But at the same time this is how you explain a dictator coming to power or wrecking a country and killing people. This is how you can explain a world leader who is such a terrible world leader because his heart is inspired by Satan. And if it was not a temptation for Jesus to bow and take the kingdoms of the world it would not have been a temptation. So it says He was tempted and so somehow Satan has this limited control at this time. And the only way Sid that he’s going to lose the grip of world governments and some people that lead them is the return of the Lord when Satan is bound a 1000 years in the bottomless pit. And in the book of revelation it’s the Greek world “abusos” which is the word abyss, which is a huge chamber somewhere underneath the earth. And he is confined there for a period of 1000 years then there is peace on the earth for 1000 years. They beat their swords into plowshares; meaning there’s no more war and the lion and you know the calf lie down together. And the young child Isaiah said can even get around a snake and not be afraid in the millennial reign; the 1000 year reign of Christ. That does not happen before the King returns. And I like to say it this way; this kind of sums up the whole way I think about the subject. You cannot have a kingdom unless you have a king. And He has made us kings and priest unto God but there is only one King; King of kings Lord of Lords that’s Revelation 19. When Christ; when Christ… oh, I just feel something right here to say this. In Heaven Christ is presently the High Priest of the profession of our faith. But in the book of Revelation this is the whole theme of the book; this is why it’s a revelation of Jesus Christ. The book of Revelation show you the transference of Jesus from High Priest in Heaven where He’s been up there for over 1900 years interceding for us to becoming a King of kings and a Lord of lords. He was called a Prophet on Earth; He is the High Priest of Heaven now; He will be the King of kings in the future. And you can’t have an actual kingdom on earth until you have the king ruling over the kingdom. And that Kingdom rule of the Messiah comes in Revelation 19 and the timing is whenever the end of the 7 year tribulation takes place. And He comes back with the armies of Heaven who are the saints who have been in Heaven with Him. And He literally sets up a visible physical Kingdom on earth. And Zechariah says that Jewish people would even go to Him and say “Where did you get these wounds?” And He will say “I got them in the house of My friends. Christ will even maintain the scars that He had at His crucifixion to prove the was the suffering Messiah worthy to be the Lion of the Tribe of Judah and to become the King over the entire world during the 1000 year reign.
Sid: Perry there is so much controversy; so many different views on the rapture; when the rapture’s going to be. And as far as I’m concerned you have the clearest teaching on this.
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