Sid: My guest right here in the studio Martha Kilpatrick from Suches, Georgia. I asked her “Where in the world did Suches get its name?” And you told me:
Martha: From an Indian chief.
Sid: I said “Of course I forgot about Indian Chief Suches (laughing)… I’m getting a little goofy right now, but we’re talking about a very serious subject. I’m interviewing Martha on her new book “Chariots of Fire – Elijah the Last Days,” which gives us insight to the spirit realm that’s stopping us from having intimacy with God, fulfilling our destiny, and as Martha said it “It causes the devil to write the last chapter of our life,” and no one wants that. I want to deal a bit about Jezebel today. How does the spirit of Jezebel actually come in Martha?
Martha: Comes in through bitterness and unforgiveness, and it becomes an unconscious hatred of God. It took me years to understand that, but I’ve written Jezebel captive are God haters who want to control what God failed to manage to payback what He would not avenge. Liars who forgot they hate God and it becomes religious, ironically those who hate God go where God is.
Sid: But they put in such safeguards that look good on the outside but prevent anyone from thinking for themselves and developing their own intimacy with God.
Martha: Exactly it couldn’t have been said any better than that, that is exactly what happens. But the motive is really to murder God. I’ve written that the prime target of Jezebel haters are the succulent lambs who love love. The motive is hatred; I learned it from people who I’ve tried to help come out of it and one person told me, several people have…
Sid: Why do you have to help someone come out of it…
Martha: Because it’s a blindness, Jezebel gives you a blindness. Satan loves to blind you to your own as you said earlier to your own responsibility and involvement in it.
Sid: It is so easy to see a fault in someone else, and you know what I’ve found it’s a psychological truth, but it is the truth, is the thing that upsets you the most you better take a look at yourself as to why it upsets you so much because the same thing is in you.
Martha: Exactly. The upset is the key that is a problem. But…
Sid: So let’s talk a bit about Jezebel.
Martha: Jezebel by bitterness and unforgiveness that is the ground root that comes in. From 2 people who have really confessed to me what they think I’ve been shocked at the thought life of a believer that can…
Sid: Let’s take one of these people because we are not mentioning names, tell me about what shocked you so much.
Martha: This person told me several things: 1. That she plotted to murder and one of them was me. She plotted my murder. In her imagination she had such a level of hatred in her thoughts and did not think it was wrong.
Sid: Look at… it’s actually playing out in life, now I don’t think these people are Christians of husbands murdering wives, wives murdering husbands, I mean its coming to the surface in today’s society but… I guess what someone does is they just entertain that thought….
Martha: Exactly.
Sid: …and once they entertain it it becomes an obsession.
Martha: And Satan enters it. In some diabolical way affirms to the person in their thoughts that they’re right and it’s just.
Sid: It’s hard for me to comprehend how…
Martha: It is hard.
Sid: …the devil could be so clever to do that but we see it.
Martha: It’s hard for me to comprehend that a person could have those thoughts and not know that it’s sin.
Sid: But see it’s one thing to have a thought, it’s another thing to entertain that thought.
Martha: Exactly to brood and to rage over it. It is…
Sid: It is like the unforgiveness business, the more you mull over how John struck you, the deeper it gets.
Martha: Yes and it grows. It’s what the scripture says “Don’t let the sun go down on your anger lest the devil gets a stronghold.” Well the stronghold of bitterness grows and grows until you believe that your evil thoughts are entirely right and that God agrees with you. That is the inner insanity of the Jezebel spirit.
Sid: So what happened with this woman that confessed that she was literally plotting to murder you? I still find this hard to believe but go ahead.
Martha: It is very hard to believe. That woman hasn’t come out of it another one has.
Sid: Well tell me about the one that has (laughing).
Martha: (Laughing) Let’s talk about the one who has. She has spent many months repenting, seeking God with all of her heart, on her face fasting, praying, and He has been very faithful to build an intimate relationship with her to receive her seeking Him. She’s coming through but it’s a hard work because it can’t be… it’s a character flaw. It doesn’t begin as a demonic entity that you can just cast out, it begins as a character flaw where you do not obey what you know in scripture, and you don’t obey the Lord and hear his voice and move in that intimacy. So it begins in the character flaw, it becomes a demonic thing. So to solve it you have to go back and build integrity in secret in your heart.
Sid: Step by step how does someone do this?
Martha: I really don’t think a person deep in Jezebel can come out of it apart from the accountability of the body of Christ because as Elijah did it it takes enormous confrontation and commitment to a person to help them come out. if a person will accept the accountability and the help of the body of Christ they can come out of it.
Sid: You know why I see a catch-22 going on worldwide as I travel around the world Martha and there appears to be those that want intimacy and going on with God and are in churches that are more religious than intimacy, more control than freedom, more “I’m not willing to experiment in the Holy Spirit because it might rock my ship. I’m not willing to fend my big tithers,” are pulling back from organized church and they’re out there but they say “I can get more in my prayer closet than this religious system” but yet God wants us to assemble together it’s almost like it’s a catch-22.
Martha: Well I believe that for the serious believer that is willing to follow the Lord anywhere that the Lord builds a body around you. It may be several people in other states, but the key to coming out of Jezebel is personal relationship with other believers. Where God has called people together to help each other run the race…
Sid: When you’re say “Call people together” you’re not necessarily saying a “building, a church”…
Martha: Right.
Sid: …a whole structure.
Martha: Right this can take place within the structure. A group of people that God has bonded together it can take place outside of the structure. The key is when God calls people together in relationship we are there to help each other run the race. The one who will accept that, and this woman very bravely did very courageously, she could have gone back in the organized church and then totally secluded and not found out. I think T. Austin Sparks wrote “Only in a body of Christ can through evil but surface.” That’s an astonishing thing.
Sid: Sure if there wasn’t marriage then we’d never find out what’s wrong with us (laughing).
Martha: (Laughing) A prided thing that’s wonderful. But she was willing to except the accountability and numbers of us have worked with her. She’s been very courageous and really prayed hours and days on the end that God would show her and help her, and He has. Though we’ve pointed her in the right direction and we’ve helped her see her work alone has been the thing that has brought her through. I can’t help another person surrender to God, that’s a work they have to do themselves, but she’s come through to realize it’s ironically exactly what Elijah said “That God is God.”
Sid: Once someone really and truly comes to grip with this, that they’re under the influence of an Elijah spirit, or under a… not Elijah they’re under the influence of a Jezebel spirit or an Ahab spirit and then they repent. I mean its… that simple?
Martha: Revelation gives that as the remedy, the only remedy to Jezebel repent. It is that it is simple, and yet God must grant it. You can start with what you know and repent of that and ask God humbly to give you the repentance that’s the work of the Holy Spirit. That work of the Holy Spirit is light, and when it falls on you you see and you renounce and you’re transformed. You’re also transformed by confessions, confession is much about this, confession to one another brings healing.
Sid: Confess your sins one to another to be healed.
Martha: Exactly and the promise of 1st John 1:9 is that you confess your sins not only will He forgive you but He will cleanse you. So it’s enormous confession of these thoughts, of the selfishness, the extreme… both Jezebel and Ahab ride on extreme self-centeredness. The saving of self, the protecting of self, and the abandoning of self to God is the solution.
Sid: Now it’s important to have a brother or sister in the Lord that you so trust that you can be transparent to confess that sin and then get to the prayer of agreement.
Martha: Yes, yes it’s crucial for people who have covered up with evil who’ve given themselves over to evil, it’s crucial to have…
Sid: But see God’s definition of evil and man’s definition of evil are different. Man’s definition is “Well I haven’t murdered anyone, I haven’t robbed an banks lately, I’m a good person (patting themselves on the shoulder)” but they’re just totally controlled with self…
Martha: And that’s what the evil is. That’s the root of every form of evil whether it’ religious persecution, of course it was the religious that killed Jesus not the common man.
Sid: Martha how in the world is God going to fix the church because God loves the church, the church is the body, I’m not talking about the building it’s the body of believers? There’s got to be a change, we’ve become so fossilized and so religious.
Martha: Well even that may produce the hunger and it will break it through. Our very cement may become intolerable to… may it be so, may it become intolerable to us so that we will want to break out of what’s happening all over. I believe that where there’s just the slightest desire for God He rushes in to give more desire that will issue in the freedom.
Sid: You know Martha there is not one key for this but there are keys for this. I’m convinced God has put your thumb on the pulse of a key that is stopping intimacy with most Christians.
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