LISA: But, but I also want to say, I also want to say that that doesn’t mean the wife has no voice cause John didn’t make it sound like she has any kind of input whatsoever. A good leader would actually always 

JOHN: I agree.

LISA: draw on input from the people underneath him. So we believe submission means under assignment. And when you look at the original assignment that God gave Adam and Eve it was in the Garden and that was to be fruitful and multiply. To create order out of what had become chaotic. And so I really think that when we are submitted to the Lord and submitted to one another, and of course the husband has the leadership, the husband would be foolish just to say well I’m just like Jesus and you just need to all do what I say. He wants to draw from his wife because the wife has got the heart of her children. She knows what’s going on. So she’s going to draw on her wisdom and he’s going to take into account what is best for them and or what her insights or what her, even her fears might be and then he’ll make a decision and then they do it together. And so submission would be under assignment. And we have an assignment on this life and that is to love each other well. That is to love each other so profoundly that people want to have what we have. To raise children who love of God and have an awareness of their community. And, and you know wanting to help other people. And so I only submit to John, I don’t submit to all men because I’m building with John.

SID: John

LISA: And so

SID: John, in one minute I want you to tell me. Is submission permission for a man to be a tyrant?

JOHN: One thing the Lord said to me one day that really sealed it for me is He said, because I have a strong personality, He said son, do I ever force you to obey me? I was like no. He said you CANNOT force your wife to obey you. You put it out there. If she chooses not to obey you that’s between her and me. And to honest with you 99.9% of the time Lisa’s right!

SID: [LAUGHS]

JOHN: I am a stupid husband, stupid, literally stupid

LISA: No!

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