Sid: We want everyone everywhere to know what it is to be free and I’m so excited about Michael Hinson and his new book “To Heal the Heart.” I have Michael and his wife Cyndi in the studio right now. Cyndi last week I spoke to your husband about the four day visitation he had in which God showed him his heart. Can you tell me what difference you observed in your husband before that visitation and after?
Cyndi: Well the biggest thing would be the deception that was removed. Where he had eyes to see himself how he wanted to believe he was and he really believed that.
Sid: And that’s what everyone does.
Cyndi: Everybody does that, they see and they think “Oh yeah I’m wonderful, no but we do look at ourselves through those rose colored glasses because it’s what we want to be.” And there is nothing wrong with that but then there’s a place to have the reality of what the truth is. And so there was a cloud of deception that I believe was removed, he was able to see the truth and see himself how God saw him. And it wasn’t just the areas that were wrong as he’d said God didn’t come and say “This is wrong, this wrong, this is wrong.” It was through the love of God showing him the condition of his heart so that he could be changed. He was broken he saw things differently than he had ever seen them before; you know he looked at everything life in general. He began to appreciate and understand and there were truth in the word of God became more real to him. It’s kind of like when you read a scripture a ten thousand times but that ten thousand and one that you read it and then you get revelation on it. It has a new meaning to you.
Sid: Now Cyndi you did not have this 4 day experience with God showing you your heart but you’ve had a chance to hear his teaching, to pray yourself in these areas. What affect has it had on you personally?
Cyndi: Well, I see some of the same changes because there were truth that I had half truths of the word, I had misunderstood some things in the word of God. So I wasn’t able to apply them to my life, therefore they didn’t have the fruit that they should have had in my life because of that. Whenever we don’t walk in the fullness of the understanding of the word of God and apply those things in our lives correctly then you’re not going to have the lasting fruit that God talked about that we could have. You’re not going to have the joy, the peace, the contentment, the fulfillment that comes with being able to apply those things to your life.
Sid: Michael when I study the gospels, and I study the life of Jesus one of the…the common denominator that I see with Jesus is love and compassion. It’s through that compassion that people are healed. And the thing that I love about your teaching “To Heal the Heart.” Is this compassion comes as birth as out of an intimacy with God, and an intimacy with your spouse, and an intimacy with family. Tell me a little bit about this intimacy.
Michael: Well, everywhere we travel we find people looking for intimacy, it seems to be missing in so many areas of the church and that’s why we’re so glad we have this book because it shows the easy ways to get regain the intimacy. It is really simple to do in your life that can change it; when we first got intimacy with our family, or first had intimacy with God all we did was give them all of our heart. But many people today after they start losing that intimacy they’re going to counselors, they’re going to physiatrists they’re looking at Christian books. They’re actually picking up secular magazines and reading them because they claim they have the roads to intimacy, or how to bring the life back to your relationships. People everywhere are going to conferences, I know an individual that had lost their intimacy in their relationship with God. I watched them as they fasted 40 days. They read every book that they could find on intimacy, they went to worship conferences, and Christian conference, and…
Sid: People are going to these conferences all the time, and there was a season that I did but enough.
Michael: Well, all things are good in themselves every one of them is great to enhance the intimacy that you already have. That is not how you found intimacy to start with; that’s not where intimacy comes from that enhances a relationship that’s already intimate. That isn’t where intimacy is birthed, intimacy is birthed from giving 100% of your heart to the Lord. Over a period of time your heart can harden towards the Lord, people think that’s difficult, or sometimes impossible to believe but if your heart…
Sid: Now in our mind say “Oh I wouldn’t consider doing that.” But our actions speak louder than our mind.
Michael: It’s a subtle thing, if it were just a blatant hardening of our heart it would be easy to see; but it’s subtle over a period of time. We have a death in the family, or someone that we loved and they died and we held God accountable because he didn’t come through. Or we’ve gone through that long long trial where we prayed for the outcome to turnout a particular way and it was somehow different than that one; it could be any number of other things where we’re actually wounded over a period of time because God didn’t perform like we would want Him to. People think, “Well, that’s not natural my God’s perfect” it’s a family; He’s our Father. My earthly father’s an amazing man but occasionally I get upset with the things he does even when they are good. When I was a kid I wasn’t pleased with what he did to discipline me but it brought about good things in my life. My father loves me, your earthly father whether he did or didn’t love you is a basis for how you know your Heavenly father. But your Heavenly Father does love you and He wants that intimacy back we’ve gone looking for it everywhere and have not been able to find it. And it’s not complicated, it’s not hard to do, it’s a matter of surrendering once again your heart. There’s things that you’re expecting God to do. I know people that have hardened their heart because a Christian or a church leader did something that offended them and they were upset, they’re holding God accountable. If God was really watching this He’d fix that problem and He’d take care of that pastor or He’d heal all of that.
Sid: After all He’s got all power.
Michael: Oh absolutely, what we do is we pick up the banner we’re able to forgive that pastor of forgive that Christian for what they did but what we do is we see that pastor or Christian hurt someone else. So instead of picking up the righteous banner that we were carrying before we pick up a new banner the hurt to the other people; I can forgive them but look what they’re doing to the other people. This is contrary to God’s nature, the Bible says “How can you say ‘You love God whom you can’t see if you don’t love your brother who you do see?’”
Sid: And then there’s the whole thing of the heart being deceived like you used to be you thought you were a pretty good person until God put His light on your heart.
Michael: And when He did my motives were entirely different; I would have argued with you if you told me that my heart was in any way contrary to what God’s purposes were in this life. I would tell you you didn’t know what you were talking about, I was sold out the whole route; little did I know that most of what I was doing was actually to please myself. I was awestruck when the Lord came and showed me the truth of my heart. He didn’t come with some list of all the things I had done wrong. All He did was come and fill my heart with His glory, with His presence, and the very light that shined from Him made everything that was dark inside of me; everything that was contrary to His nature or to His plan for my life it made it shine in a very ugly way it stood out. It was like dark clouds blocking the sun.
Sid: Okay, you don’t have to go to conferences to get intimacy with God, let me rephrase it, we can’t get intimacy with God by going to conferences; what can we do?
Michael: Fasting, prayer all those things are great but that’s not intimacy. Intimacy is surrendering it’s doing what you did the first time to get intimacy. You don’t have to do anything else to get to that first place, you need to release whatever debt, whatever expectation that you have of God. When you first came to Him you didn’t have a list of things that you demanded of God when you gave Him your heart there was no list of all. You gave him 100% of your heart in anticipation that He would in exchange that He would move into your heart. Over a period of time your heart may have hardened or calloused too. You may have even taken your heart back; I actually know people that blackmail God. Well, God used to woo me; unless you do this again for me, unless you provide this for me, or do this I’m not going to give You my heart.
Sid: That’s stupid.
Michael: Well, that didn’t work for me either when I tried.
Cyndi: A great man of God once said “Many fasts are hunger strikes.”
Sid: Hmm, or diets (Laughing)
Cyndi and Michael: (Laughing)
Sid: Let’s say a prayer for people to regain their intimacy.
Michael: This is really easy, and you can follow this along. If you don’t have intimacy in your relationship with God; if you know over a period of time things have hardened in your heart, then say this from your heart and be willing to release the debt of those people that have hurt you, those times you have called on God and they didn’t come through. Just repeat this: Father, I am willing to lay all my conditions down at Your altar.
Sid: Father, I am willing to lay all of my conditions at Your altar.
Michael: And once again.
Sid: And once again.
Michael: Give You 100% of my heart.
Sid: Give You 100% of my heart.
Michael: It is now Yours.
Sid: It is now Yours.
Michael: Flood me with Your Spirit.
Sid: Flood me with Your Spirit.
Michael: Even now Father.
Sid: Even now Father.
Michael: And I will serve You.
Sid: And I will serve You
Michael: All the days of my life.
Sid: All the days of my life.
Michael: In Jesus Name.
Sid: In Jesus Name, amen. Cyndi what will people gain by reading this book, praying these prayers, and doing what the teaching instructs in your husband’s book “To Heal the Heart?”
Cyndi: Freedom, joy, peace, contentment, eyes to see life in God like they’ve never seen it before. I truly believe that they will walk in the fulfillment of the things that God has preordained for them to do; He has sent them here to accomplish a work. On one hand this book is for you, this is for you to have right relationship with God and with others around. Other aspects of what this book is so that you can intern go and share this with other people. This book is so duplicatable; you can take the teachings in this and you will want to do this once you’ve applied this to your own life. The freedom and joy that will gain and share with those that you know. And you can lead them in the same prayers that you go through and they’ll want to share that with others. It just keeps going on and on that’s the most beautiful thing about it. It’s not for you to hold on to you; the more that you give away the more you gain yourself, and the joy of being able to see others get free. It’s truly a good kind of addiction because it’s wonderful to watch people get free to see the lightness and the countenance change on their face. If you get this book I can guarantee you one thing, that at least one thing will change. I can’t guarantee you that everyone who gets this book will have all of these things affected in their life, but if you truly with all of your heart if you’ll sincerely sit before the Lord and humble yourself, and do these prayers from your heart you will be free.
Sid: You know Michael I think there is so much mixture of psychology and tradition in so many teachings book today, I love this this comes from a broken heart, pure truth and supernatural prayers to be free to live life to the fullest.
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