SID: Now, I’ve interviewed many people that have medically died and gone to Heaven, but you have interviewed so many that you have found certain commonalities.
JOHN: For 35 years I’ve studied the Bible and I’ve studied these experiences, and I want to show that these are like dots of color on the bigger picture that the Bible’s given us all along. That’s the picture we’ve got to hold to, ’cause any one experience can be interpreted many different ways, and they are, but when you listen to what’s reported, commonly they will leave their body. They have a body. They still are fully themselves, more alive than they’ve ever felt. But they’re able to observe for a little bit what’s going on on the scene of their accident or whatever it might have been, and then they’re taken. They don’t know– Some say through a tunnel, some say down a path, different ways of explaining.
SID: Do they experience when they’re hovering, let’s say, over their body, do they experience fear?
JOHN: No.
SID: Good.
JOHN: No. I mean, generally, it’s a peace like you’ve never known before, but they come to a place and different people see different parts. It’s like if you landed 100 people across North Carolina and then gave them five minutes there and said, “Describe it.” They would all describe different bits, but you could start to piece it together. That’s what I tried to do in the book, “Imagine Heaven,” is piece together the picture of what they’re saying. What I found fascinating is how many talked about people in these white robes. But what I discovered is they’re not white robes like we’re talking about. They’re actually translucent. The reason they’re white is it lets, I believe, the glory of God shine through. Maybe the amount of light and love of Jesus that we allow to shine through us now expands our capacity to experience the life and love and light of God shining through us there.
SID: Now, why is it that just about everyone I’ve interviewed that has had this type of experience did not want to come back?
JOHN: Well, because it’s the life we were created for. This life is a temporary journey. We are finite. We’re confined to time and space here. But Jesus said it. He said, “I’m going to prepare a place for you and I will come back and get you and there are many dwelling places in my Father’s home and we will always be together, and we will eat and we will drink. There will be feasts.” It’s life. It’s not less life, it’s more life than we’ve ever imagined.
SID: Aren’t you a little worried that people read your book and find out how wonderful Heaven is and how verified it is, they’ll want to cut out of this life?
JOHN: No. I really actually am
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. I would say that if you read and you have that thought, you’ve got to remember what God said to almost everyone, “It’s not your time. I still have plans for you.” We should never short circuit God’s plan.
SID: Tell me, what are our bodies up in Heaven? What if you go there with pain in your body? What if you go there with cancer in your body?
JOHN: Consistently, several people I write about had loved ones. One guy named Gary had a friend who was decapitated in an auto accident. He said one of the most wonderful things was as he’s coming up to the entrance of the gate to the New Jerusalem, out comes his friend, John, happy, whole, healthier than he’s ever seen. Gives him a big hug and God appointed John to take him on a tour of the city. Our welcoming committee—
SID: What about the head?
JOHN: Yeah, he had a head. I thought that was implied in whole and healthy.
SID: Okay.
JOHN: Maybe not.
SID: How about families?
JOHN: Yeah, I mean, it is the greatest reunion we’ve ever had.
SID: They all get along?
JOHN: Yeah. Well, I write about that. I write about that. You know, one of the commonalities is our communication is perfect, meaning we speak to one another in complete thoughts, emotions. We understand each other perfectly.
SID: I’m told we don’t actually speak words. It’s like spirit to spirit.
JOHN: Right, but we can speak words.
SID: Okay.
JOHN: In fact, we sing songs. One of the fascinating things about the music of Heaven, you know, where Paul said, “Things eye has not seen,” we should talk about the colors of Heaven. But ear has not heard, the music of Heaven, like Betty Maltz talked about how she heard all these songs, all in different languages, but she understood all of it. Don Piper, a pastor who’s a friend of mine, said it was like listening to 1000 songs from Bach to Queen all at the same time and yet perfectly harmonized. It’s music in a new dimension. We’re talking about life. This is what you need to understand. There’s adventure. There are mountains to climb. There’s travel that’s not limited. Captain Dale Black, the airline pilot who died, I have a picture of the plane in the LA Times. Everyone died in the crash, he resuscitated.
But isn’t it just like God? God has him flying into the New Jerusalem above and he describes the beauty very much like John did in Revelation 21, these grand mountains behind, but he noticed they were snow-capped, which is fascinating. I hadn’t heard that. The city wall that stretched side to side, he couldn’t see how far. The beautiful landscape of paradise outside the wall, the grass, the trees, and he heard waterfalls and fountains, and this city with homes with architecture that was- He couldn’t even describe it in words, there was something supernatural about the architecture, he even said. You hear what they have to say and what I tried to do is show how they show from different angles exactly what the Bible’s been telling us all along.
Colors, they commonly say colors like you don’t have here on Earth, so spectacular. That makes perfect sense. The color we see is from the spectrum of the light of the sun. The color there is the spectrum of the light of God, far beyond anything we’ve ever seen.
SID: Yeah, not in the same ballpark.
JOHN: Yeah.
SID: I’ll tell you what, when we come back, there’s just so many things to talk about, but the most fascinating thing that you talk about is he calls it a life review. Did you know every one of us is going to get a life review? Be right back.
SID: Hello, it’s Sid Roth here with Dr. Sandy Kulkin. Two Jewish people, better than that, three Jewish people. Sandy, myself, and Jesus.
SID: Sandy, just so people understand, before you became a believer in the Messiah, what kind of synagogue did you go to? Were you bar mitzvah?
SANDY: Well, we went to a conservative orthodox synagogue. Most of the holidays were celebrated for two days, not like the reformed do it for one day. Most of the services were done in Hebrew, so I had to learn Hebrew.
SID: What was your opinion of Jesus?
SANDY: Well, I thought Jesus was a nice guy, maybe a great teacher. He surely had a lot of influence in changing the world, but I didn’t believe he was the Messiah. I didn’t believe that he was the son of God.
SID: But God knew how to get to your heart. You know how he did it? He’s dating a pretty Gentile girl, and her family starts telling him, and she starts telling him about Jesus, about Jesus, about Jesus. They wouldn’t stop!
SID: So one day your girlfriend invites you to a Pentecostal church where they speak in tongues! What in the world did you think was going on?
SANDY: Well, we were probably on the verge of breaking up. It was funny, she says to me, “You know what, I don’t think that we’re going to make it.”
You know, I don’t think we’re going to make it.
SANDY: And I said, “Well, you know what, if your God doesn’t change me, you and I are through.” And she’s probably thinking the same thing, “That’s right, we’re through.” I go in, I sit down, and the guy is talking about tongues.
SANDY: Now you got to get this. My father was in the meat business. I knew cows’ tongues, lambs’ tongue, veal tongue, beef tongue. And then he’s asking people, come up and get a tongue. I went, “Whoa.” That did it for me. I got up and I walked out of the service. A fella walked out after me. He came up to me, and he said, “I saw you when you walked out the service.” He said, “Would you mind if I prayed with you?”
SANDY: Of course, I’m thinking, “Well, how long can he pray right?” You can’t pray that long. Well, he prayed and he prayed and he prayed. But in the middle of that prayer, he started to speak to me in Hebrew. And it got my attention right away. He kept saying, [foreign language], which was the name of God. We go, [foreign language]. And so he starts to pray this prayer, part of it from the Amidah, which was prayed on Saturday morning.
SANDY: And so I’m thinking, “What are the chances of another Jew being in a place like this,” right? And so the first question I said to him. I said, “Oh, you’re Jewish?” He goes, “No I’m not.” I said, “You’re not Jewish? So how do you know I’m Jewish.” He said, “I don’t know who you are.” I said, “Well, where’d you learn Hebrew?” He goes, “That was Hebrew?”
SANDY: I knew I just walked into something supernatural. I knew I had walked in to some sort of a dimension that I could not explain.
SID: When you saw that supernatural manifestation of Hebrew from a man that didn’t speak one word of Hebrew, didn’t even know it was Hebrew, that triggered all the things your girlfriend’s family was telling you.
SANDY: Oh, yeah. There was no doubt about it. I asked Jesus, “If you’re real, come on in.” He came right in.
SID: I’ll tell you what. God is so good, when we come back, how would you like to find out how his entire family became believers of Jesus? Be right back.
SID: Lana is not a political person, especially not the politics of the United States. You’re kind of minding your own business, and what happens?
LANA: I go to bed one night, and I have a dream. In my dream, it was one of those dreams that was so vivid. I saw Donald Trump and he was standing in an arena, and he was speaking really passionately, but I couldn’t hear anything he was saying. Then all of a sudden, I was taken above the United States, and I remember I was like floating and I was looking down, and across the nation, in red letters, it said the word, “Trump.” Then all of a sudden, the nation began to shake like violently. As it was shaking, the letters rearranged and it became, “Triumph.” I hear this booming voice in my dream that says, “Donald Trump shall lead the United States into triumph,” and I woke up.
SID: She has several dreams. He becomes President, but then she had a very strong warning about President Trump. What was that?
LANA: After that dream, the Lord, I really felt gave me his heart, to really just be praying for him. One morning, I was sitting with the Lord, having my coffee, and I said, “What’s on your heart today, Lord?” Straight away, a vision opened up in front of my eyes. Jesus took me into a room, and we were standing at the back of the room, looking. At a table, a planning table, I saw the enemy. There were all these demons all around him, and they were looking at a blueprint. I knew it was a blueprint of not great things, planned to come against Donald Trump.
LANA: The Lord looked at me and He said, “You must call the intercessors to be rising up and the body of Christ to be praying protection over Donald Trump, as he moves into everything that I have for him.”
SID: Somehow, despite what our limited information is telling us, God has the big picture, and all I know is I want to follow God.
LANA: Amen.
SID: I want to pray right now for the protection of President Trump. Would you agree with me? After all, God says we’re to do that.
LANA: Yes.
SID: Father, in Jesus name, we agree that there are angels all around him. We agree that there is a wall of protection around him, and his wife, and his children. We agree no weapon formed against him can prosper. We agree that you will give this President wisdom, wisdom is the principle thing. Wisdom to run this country, for what purpose? I know your purpose, God. America has not fulfilled its destiny. We are to evangelize the world. That’s why we have to pray for America to be all that God’s called it to be.
LANA: Amen.
SID: Now Lana, you had a vision how one word from God can change everything.
LANA: Yeah. I had this incredible vision, sitting with the Lord, I was going through a season of incredible, the battle of the mind. There was so much stuff going on in my head. I said, “Lord, I need to hear your truth. I know that it’s one word that you speak can shift everything. Lord, what is your truth?” Straight away, I had this vision and I saw Jesus. He was kneeling down, leaning over a tree stump. His hands were tied, and as I looked to the right, there was a man with a whip. On the left, was the enemy, and the enemy was standing there, looking at me. He was accusing me. He was accusing me of things in my past. He was saying, “This is who you are. You’re not going to do this.” He was absolutely going after me.
LANA: Every single time he spoke, the man on the right would whip Jesus across the back. He would cry out, and it still makes me emotional. He would cry out, and He would decree the truth of who I was. He would decree who I am, and His great love for me, and what he had called me to. Every lie that the enemy spoke against me, the Lord decreed His truth. In that moment, I knew that Jesus has taken it all. He’s taken my sin. He’s taken everything and I stand in Him, righteous, and free, and forgiven, and washed clean by the blood of Jesus.
LANA: That encounter changed my life, because I saw the demonstration of His love in a way I’d never seen in visual form, and here I was thinking, “It was the voice of God decreeing truth that broke the power of those lies in my life.”
SID: I want you to pray for us to hear God.
LANA: Yeah. Lord, I thank you that we have the promise that my sheep hear my voice. Lord, right now, in the name of Jesus, I release an impartation to every person watching, to hear the voice of God. May he surprise you in ways with His voice. Lord, I pray for the spirit of wisdom and revelation. Lord, I pray the impartation of dreams and visions. Lord, encounters with you. Lord, that joy would burst forth in their life, as they seek after you, and seek your heart to hear your voice. Lord, and that the invitation of your heart, to see and to hear, and that you are a God that confirms your word, would just fill your people in Jesus’ name. Amen.
SID: I want you to tell people eyeball to eyeball how powerful they are and that they can shine.
LANA: Yes. I want to encourage you today. You are powerful today, wherever you are, whatever you’re doing, that as you walk with Jesus and you hold His hand, that he has greater plans for you than you could ever imagine. That right now, today, that the Holy Spirit wants to flow through you in ways that you could never have imagined. That you are called to shine. That you are an atmosphere shifter. That you are called to release the love and light of Jesus.
LANA: Today, I want to encourage you, that as you go about your day to day life, be asking the Lord, “What are you saying, God? What are you doing? Use me today to minister and to extend your kingdom.” One word of encouragement, one word, can change somebody’s life. You know what? It’s not about having all your I’s dotted and your T’s crossed. The Lord isn’t looking for ability, He’s looking for availability. You are powerful today, and your yes to him, you hold onto your hat, because God’s going to blow you away by what He’s going to do through you.
SID: You are God’s workmanship, created in Messiah Jesus for good works. Now do them.
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SID: You talk about we should be building rather than renovating. Briefly, what do you mean by that?
DIAN: Well, I kind of feel like working with teenagers and adults, we do a lot of renovating. But with children, we get to build. They believe what we say and, if we are wise builders like the Bible talks about, and we build line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little, using God’s word, we get to build. It’s way more fun and there’s some cleanup along the way when you build, but nothing like renovating. Sometimes in a church setting, people think, “Well, first you work with the children, then you work with the teens, and then you get into the ministry.” But really God’s word is backwards to that. He said, “If you want to be great in the kingdom, the little ones are the greatest in the kingdom.”
SID: You say one of the keys to building is the way we talk. You even have a concept called “eye to eye.” Explain that.
DIAN: Well, one thing that I feel that’s important for children to know is who they are and who’s there. I love to tell children– Here’s an example. Just recently, a little girl came to church dressed like a princess. Her mom was apologizing ’cause it was just the middle of summer or something. I got down on my knees, or on one knee, it’s the lowest I can get, and I looked her in the eye and I said, “You are a princess. You’re not pretending to be a princess, you really are a princess because you belong to King Jesus. He’s your Father. You are royalty.”
DIAN: Little boys, they want to be– Inside every little boy is this warrior. I love to say to little boys, “You are a warrior prince. You are the son of the King of Kings and you have power over the enemy.” I can feel like when I talk like that to children, I can feel them standing straighter. I love looking children in the eye and if there’s a child watching this or a child right here, what I like to say is, “When I grow up, I want to be just like you.”
SID: Tell me about children praying for adults. Give me an example.
DIAN: The Bible says we’re to have the faith of a child. Why aren’t children on the prayer teams? I said “worship” there because that’s another passion of mine, is worship. Psalm 8:2 says, “From the mouths of children comes praise so perfect, its silences the enemy.” Why aren’t they on the worship team?
SID: I want them on the worship team, with that kind of promise.
DIAN: When you get a child holding a mic on a worship team, a child that’s worshiping God, it’s electrifying. Every child in the auditorium sits up and goes, “Oh, this is for us, too.” I was remembering a story just recently about a little– There’s a lot of things that happen to children in my life when they’re four and five. This was a four-year-old. Their neighbor had lost his wife and he was elderly and he was very, very sad to have lost his wife. This four-year-old was playing in the yard again and the mom came out and she saw her four-year-old sitting on the swinging bench next door with this elderly man. He was weeping. Then she came back and her mom said, “What were you doing?” She said, “Just helping him cry.”
SID: Tell me about the time the colds were going around at your local church and this little girl got up.
DIAN: Yes. Yeah, there was quite a bit of sickness in the–
SID: That’s one of my favorite stories.
DIAN: Oh, I love this one, too. We had been teaching the children that they are royalty, that they have authority. We were in a series like that. At the end of the service, I said, “Kids, today we’re going to pray because there’s too many colds, too much flu going around. We’re going to pray. Who would like to pray?” Kids love to pray. One little girl came up to the front and she took the mic. Her name was Asia. Beautiful, beautiful girl. She stood at the mic for a long time and it actually got awkward because she was just standing there. Afterwards, I realized it was like everything she’d been learning, everything we’d been talking about, it clicked in her heart. She stood there and then she said, “I am a princess. Princesses don’t ask for things. Princesses make decrees. In the name of Jesus, I command every sickness to leave.” She started to pray and we were clapping and it was like, “Woah!”
SID: It all started by you getting down on your knees at the level of a child and looking in their eyes and saying, “You are a princess.” Did you know she got a download of a song that removes supernatural fear? Wait ’til you hear the title: “Ooky Pooky Spooky Fear” next, be right back.
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Marilyn: Everybody say: “faith” (audience says “faith”) “in the anointing” (audience says “in the anointing”) And so just that wonderful power and presence of the Lord to heal. And you’re going to know specific times, and that’s wonderful. But what if a lot of people get healed and you don’t? They felt the anointing, in some way you didn’t have faith in the anointing or something, and you didn’t get healed. Well is that the only way? No. He wants you well. He wants you whole. Healing is the bread of the children. Are you born again? (audience says “yes”) Wave your hand. Say: “healing is for me.” (audience says “healing is for me”). So I’m going to give you the second way, and this is for all believers. The second way is the laying on of hands. In Mark 16 it tells you that believers should lay hands on the sick and they will recover. So put your hands out. Say: there’s healing (audience says “there’s healing”) and miracles (audience says “and miracles”) in my hands (audience says “in my hands”) Now stand up, I’m going to pray for you. I’m going to pray that you are bold and you go out and pray for the sick. Amen? (audience says “amen”) It isn’t just for a few people, this is for the whole body. Can you imagine how many people could get saved that you know– ugly relatives, mean employers. You know, be bold, press in, and pray for them. [Marilyn prays] Father, I just pray for every believer here. That they will be bold in their faith. They will lay hands on the sick. And I thank you they’re going to be faithful in that place. In Jesus’ name, may many miracles come out of this meeting today because of believers laying hands on the sick in Jesus’ name, amen. (audience says “amen”) Sit down all you healers! (clapping) That is so important. Now the most dramatic miracle I ever saw from the laying on of hands, was not my ministry, it was many years ago before I was teaching the Bible. We went to a meeting, we were in ministry, my husband and I at that time, I was a school teacher. And A.A. Allen was there and so we were personal workers in the meeting. He would invite people to get saved. It was a big meeting, maybe 6-7000 people, and we would go to the back with those people with other workers and pray for people to receive Christ. So one night we went to the back and there was the most pitiful man, he was skin and bones, they had him on a stretcher, and I said to them, the people who brought him, I said “What’s wrong with him?” They said, “Well, he has tuberculosis, its eaten away both of his lungs, and we’re waiting for Brother Allen to come back and lay hands on him.” So you know we’re praying for people to receive Christ, but I’m watching him. And when Brother Allen came back, he said “prop him up.” They said, “You know he’s dying, he has one week to live.” And he [Brother Allen] prayed so simply, he just said, “In Jesus name, receive new lungs!” And the man fell backward and of course they caught him. And I’m not just the most powerful person in remembering names, but his name was Jean Mullinex and some way that name stuck with me. So maybe 8 years later, I don’t know exactly how many years, I was starting to travel a little and speak and I’m going to a church in Little Rock Arkansas. And I’m looking at the pastor’s name and its Jean Mullinex, but that didn’t ring a bell to me. I thought that’s a familiar name but I don’t know why. So I get there. The pastor and his wife meet me. And we’re on the way to the church and I thought “Jean Mullinex, that’s the man that A.A. Allen laid hands on! But this man doesn’t look like him.” So I told him the incident. He said, “I’m the man.” He’s still living. He’s a retired pastor.
AUDIENCE: Wow. Amen. (CLAPPING)
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