Sid: I have a former Muslim on the telephone. I’m speaking to him at his office in Amsterdam, Holland. His name is Samuel Lee and the Islam faith, Muslims are in the news. Many Christians are confused on what does a Muslim really believe? Samuel we were talking earlier before we went on the air. Just very briefly tell me what a Muslim believes.
Samuel: Well actually what a Muslim believes basically they believe in:
- Allah that is the creator of heaven and earth
- Prophet Muhammad that God or Allah sent to this world to bring the people to Allah bring people closer to Allah.
That is basically what they believe. Also the rules and regulations they call it Sharia that is the law concerning the Islam that they keep it. That is basically what Islam is.
Sid: Okay, now let’s turn to the Middle East, let’s turn to the fundamental Muslims that have people like suicide bombers that believe when they die as a martyr they go to heaven. The average Muslim in America that is a practicing Muslim does he think the same way about dying as a martyr?
Samuel: Well I don’t think so. I don’t believe like that because I believe that this type of Muslims they are brainwashed because I’ve never seen people think in that way unless they are brainwashed. That’s like in my own school when I was growing up in the Middle East some people they get brainwashed so much in Islam that they really did stupid things. But that is not exactly what normal society, normal Islamic society, is proclaiming to the people.
Sid: Are many Muslims having experiences with Jesus?
Samuel: A lot of Muslims they are having experiences with Jesus these days, especially these days.
Sid: Now why do you that God is doing this right now because that’s what my friends from the Middle East tell me that many Muslims are coming to faith? Why is this happening right now, do you have any ideas?
Samuel: Well I believe that we are approaching the end times. Also I believe the time is right now ready for Muslims to really know who Jesus Christ, or what they say Isa al-Mesih, that means Jesus the Messiah. Who He really is, He is going to reveal Himself to the Muslim people. First we have the communist movement, we have this communistic country that you know the war was closing them to the gospel. This is broken and now we have different strongholds is going to be broken. Many people are going to know who really Jesus is because in Muslim belief they believe Jesus Christ is a prophet, only a prophet just like the other prophets. But when Jesus Christ reveals Himself to the people they will realize that Jesus Christ is not only a prophet but He is God representing Himself here on earth, Immanuel with us. I believe that this is the right time for all humanity this is the right time. It is time that God is going to also reveal Himself to the people of Islam. It doesn’t matter when but I’m telling you I have experienced it with people that have who have met Christ in their dreams, or in visions, or in reality and their lives are changed.
Sid: Let’s take you back to age 6. You were born in a Middle Eastern country, we won’t mention the name for security reasons. You just happened to see a picture of Jesus tell me about that.
Samuel: Yes, well while my father was driving in a very busy market street, and you know in the Middle East they sell everything in the market. Fruits, t-shirts, and everything that you can imagine…
Sid: I love those markets.
Samuel: Yeah so there was this man selling posters because of the traffic my father was driving very slowly. I saw this picture of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. I can remember it was a bit blue coloring, something like that the main color was like blue color. I was seeing this man hanging from the cross at the age of 6. I was thinking “Why is this man hanging on the cross?” and I asked my father, “Father why? Who is this man?” My father said “He is Jesus He is the prophet from God and the people were mean to Him so therefore they crucified.” That was my very first experience with Jesus Christ that really captured my whole life. Even when as tourists, my parents you know they travelled to Europe and we went to these churches like Michael Angelo and these things. I was always letting them make pictures from the crucifixion of Jesus because it did something to me as a little boy.
Sid: Now a year later your parents enrolled you in Christian school, why was that?
Samuel: Well before the trouble came in our country and the war and the Sinai war also, our country somehow the Christians and Christianity was somehow a little bit open. So we had private schools and we had most of the private schools were Christian, Orthodox Christian, or how can I say Catholic Christian, Armenian Christian we had a lot of you know Christian schools, private schools. Those people who were a little bit highly privileged with money and income they sent their children to these Christian schools. Therefore my parents sent me to this Christian school that I remembered even the name of the school means light.
Sid: So you had a Christian friend and your friend was you telling you a little bit more about Jesus, what did he tell you?
Samuel: Yes I had this Christian friend I call him Benjamin. This friend he was explaining… because in the schoolyard there was this church, very old fashioned church like Orthodox Church. Once I was really curious and I went to look through the windows and I saw again this man hanging on the cross. So it really touched my mind and I asked this friend “Who is this man? Did you see that one that is inside that building that one that is hanging there? It’s a picture what is that?” Then he told me, Benjamin is his name, then he told that this man is Jesus Christ and he believe he says he, that means his family and his father they all believe in Jesus Christ. Then he told me that Jesus Christ that I see he is dead He is not dead according to his father what his father told him, He is not dead He is alive again and one day He will come back to the world and you know finish this work. That is what he explained to me as a little boy of 7 years.
Sid: But things changed Samuel and there was a revolution in your country, and the Christian schools were put out and you found yourself in an Islamic high school. One day your teacher said something to you that just totally devastated you. At that time you were an ardent Muslim correct?
Samuel: Yes I wanted to do my best even I was bragging to my family I was singing from the Quran and my grandmother she didn’t understand what I was saying but she just loved it. What happened was until that time I thought that Jesus Christ is you know He is alive and He is coming back. But the first thing that really damaged me was when I heard from my religion teacher that Jesus Christ didn’t die at all that Judas Iscariot actually died in His place. Because he looked like Him people thought Jesus was crucified. Afterwards when they saw Jesus they thought He was risen. That was one His theologies that He was teaching. There were many different theologies they were teaching us at school that really damaged my life and I thought that my friend lied to me.
Sid: So you faith was stolen your faith in Jesus Christ.
Samuel: Yes it was stolen from me as a boy.
Sid: What about your faith in Islam what was it like?
Samuel: Then I started to you know read the stories about the prophets but in a funny version of that like Jacob, you know all these prophets Abraham?
Sid: Yes and their version is very different than the Christian version or the Jewish version.
Samuel: Very different really especially about Ishmael and all these things, it’s a little bit changed. Anyway I don’t go deep on that one, but what I wanted to say is that the teacher one day we had this reading Quran. I really did my best, I tried my best to read it very good and chant it. You know you have 2 ways of reading:
- Reading normal
- Chanting
Sid: Sure I come from a Jewish background and we chant the Hebraic prayers.
Samuel: Yes so I tried to chant and this man he socked me and he said “You are not chanting Quran you singing a pop music!” and he socked me. Then he…
Sid: Did he really hurt you when he socked you?
Samuel: He hurt me, really he hurt me. He hurt me, he hurt my feelings because I was singing from my heart I was singing it from the bottom of my heart. This man says “You are not singing, you are not chanting the Quran you are singing pop music!” He broke my heart and socked my grade and he said “You are not passed!”
Sid: Well then you got into… I guess your faith in Islam was stolen too, and now you’re not really heavy into either. You get into communism but your parents were very worried about you and they decided to relocate to the west. Did they relocate just because of you?
Samuel: Yes. They actually sold everything they had at that time.
Sid: What were they afraid of?
Samuel: They were afraid of because I was the kind of naughty boy especially concerning the politics. I start to hate any religion especially what is going on in my country in the name of Allah what they are doing. So what happened was I was involved in this communism thing, I was even reading “Das Kapital” but I didn’t understand what Karl Marx is speaking about. I just reading it because that is the age that age of people they reading these kind of things. Then I got involved even… I didn’t even write in my book I got involved in youth political groups that were really terrible.
Sid: So in effect you parents were trying to save your life and they just sold everything, they moved to the west. We’re out of time we’ll pick up here tomorrow Mishpochah.
Tags: It's Supernatural, Sid Roth
We now return to It’s Supernatural.
SID: I was just telling Richard during the break, I don’t, can you feel, can you feel, can you feel at home, there is a, it’s like a river of God’s Spirit.
RICHARD: There is.
SID: It’s so wonderful. The whole world has to experience this liver [meant to say “river”]? Liver? You know, he just did it to me. Someone’s liver has been healed right now. Someone’s liver is being healed right now.
RICHARD: Did you hear what you said? To feel this liver.
SID: Oh, I heard what I said.
RICHARD: That’s compassion.
SID: Yeah, but let me tell you something. That was not rehearsed.
RICHARD: No.
SID: That just came when I was talking about the river of God’s Spirit that it’s here right now. There is something, I remember reading years ago that your father wrote and you teach on it also, and it’s got to do with supernatural languages, tongues.
RICHARD: Yes.
SID: He said, the Bible says, “Pray in your understanding and pray in the Spirit.” And your father taught, get into a flow. You pray with your understanding then you pray in tongues in the Spirit then you pray with your, and he said, sooner or later when you pray with your understanding you’ll actually be interpreting your supernatural language. Tell me a bit about that.
RICHARD: Well that’s the Apostle Paul who taught that when you pray in tongues you don’t know what you’re saying. You’re praying the mysteries of God. Your spirit is edified. You feel better, but you don’t have understanding to go along with it. So Paul said, “What will I do? I will pray with the Spirit and I will pray with the understanding.” When a person gets saved the Holy Spirit comes in and bears witness with their spirit that they’re a child of God. So every Christian has the Holy Spirit. They may not pray in tongues, but they have the ability because the Holy Spirit is in them. All right. What does the Bible say the Holy Spirit is doing? He’s interceding. He’s praying, Romans tells us, seven days a week, 24 hours a day, in a straight line prayer to God. Paul taught that we have an opportunity and an ability to tap into the Holy Spirit’s kiosk, [speaking in tongues]. We can pray in tongues and tap into the Holy Spirit’s prayer any time we like. Now many people who pray in tongues only pray at a moment of great joy or in terrible sadness. But it’s something we can do every day. We can tap in, I’m not talking about the gift of tongues. That’s different. I’m talking about your own daily devotional prayer language. We can tap into that prayer, and then as you said, when we stop and pray in our own language, we get God’s response back to us because the Holy Spirit is taking what’s inside of us that we don’t have the ability to express in human terms. He takes what’s way down on the inside of us and takes it up to God. But the scripture says he knows our hurts, he knows our needs, he knows our afflictions, he knows what’s in us. He’s taking that to the father. And then when we pray in English we’re getting God’s response back to us, and many times it’s a direct interpretation or it’s a direction, or it’s a new way, a new idea, a new concept, a new way of doing something, a new innovation, something brand new on the scene. And that’s something that I do every day of my life, not because I’m better than anybody else, because I need help. I need to know what to do.
SID: So if someone has been praying in tongues but they don’t really understand, teach me. Teach me. That’s me. I’m talking about me right now.
RICHARD: I’m talking about people, and what you’re talking about, I believe, is people who just pray in tongues, but they don’t complete the prayer.
SID: Yes.
RICHARD: They’re doing just a half a prayer.
SID: Yes. Tell me how you do it.
RICHARD: When you pray in tongues, stop and begin to pray in your own language the very first thing that God brings to your mind, the very first thing. Say it out loud and as you practice it, as you do it over and over again, you’ll get into the flow that you were talking about a little earlier. And as you pray in tongues and then stop and pray in your own language, you’ll find that you’ll begin to say what you’ve been wanting to say to God and you’ve not known how or you get his interpretation of what he wants you to have or to do. When I don’t know what to do, I pray in tongues and then I stop and I pray in my own language.
SID: And I’m not saying throw your mind out, but if you could make your decisions from God, do you realize how much better it would be? Do you realize how you’d never make mistakes? We need God more than ever.
We’ll be right back to It’s Supernatural.
[commercial]
SID: Next week on It’s Supernatural. My guest was a career criminal. His extended family consisted of drug dealers, drug addicts, pimps, prostitutes. He had 34 members of his family in prison as of now for murder. I mean, this pervaded the whole family. He had an encounter with the Messiah. He learned about bloodline curses, began to break them on himself, on his family, his extended family and he has a passion to help you break. Now by the way, these curses can be things like sickness, like poverty and their bloodlines. And you can stop it, and his passion is to help you. Are you ready?
[music]
Tags: It's Supernatural, Sid Roth
Sid: My guest right here in the studio is Curry Blake. Curry supernaturally came into came into the possession of manual that John G. Lake put together. You see John G. Lake taught believers how to pray for the sick. He literally told the people he trained “You go out to a sick person and you’re not allowed to come back until that person is healed.” They verified over 100,000 healing miracles in Spokane, Washington. It was known as the healthiest city in the United States. We don’t see these results today I believe that as Curry told me yesterday this manual was literally hidden and supernaturally came into his possession and he teaches from this manual seminars. Curry Blake how does this teaching differ from the current understanding of healing today? There are some people that say “I need to hear a Rhema word from God to know that I’m healed.” There are other people that say “You can’t be in unbelief or you can’t be in unforgiveness or you have to be a sold out believer in Jesus to be healed.” I mean I can write books on excuses as to why people are not healed. And the truth is we’re not seeing the results that the Bible says that we’re supposed to see, we’re not seeing the same miracles that Jesus did. We’re not seeing hospitals cleared out. We’re not seeing everyone healed, but yet you’re seeing these things.
Curry: Yes Sir.
Sid: What is the difference what John G. Lake do, what do you do that’s different than all of the current generation?
Curry: Well what you say about books being written about excuses and there are books being written or they call them reasons for why people receiving healing. But they are excuses because it always comes back on the believer. The main difference…
Sid: And by the way and that’s why the whole message by many people it’s rejected because every one of us has friends that stood on the promises and died.
Curry: Right.
Sid: And so I mean and it ends up hurting people’s faith as a reason.
Curry: Right.
Sid: As a result of it.
Curry: And it brings a reproach on the name of Christ that’s what it does because we’re proclaiming from one side that the perfect nature of God and the perfect message of God and yet people are seeing a small pittance of it actually working. And they’re having few results and like they say they get hurt and they die and different things like that take place. And the difference, the main difference the way I categorize it is that there is a general way that the church in general minister to the sick or prays for the sick is that they what I call the “Troubling of the water.” They wait for the angel to come down to the pool of Bethesda and trouble the water. And Jesus did not wait for the troubling of the water Jesus went about doing good He set out he went out. He didn’t wait until Satan knocked on his door he went out and knocked on Satan’s door. He went out and took…He said “That the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church.” So either the church which is here today is not the church Jesus built because the gates of hell are prevailing against it or we haven’t seen it the right way. The gates of hell cannot prevail against the church. And in the difference in what we do is that when…
Sid: So when someone changed and it’s not God since the Bible says “He doesn’t change.” It’s us.
Curry: Exactly, exactly and the main change the main difference has been is that we do not accept responsibility. The disciples I mean it started back with Jesus “Let’s do what Jesus did if you do what Jesus did you’ll get the same results. So the main thing is that you just go back to the Bible don’t read anything into it, don’t read anything out of it and don’t speculation around it and just do exactly what it says and it will work. That’s the main thing that Dr. Lake did he just took the Bible for the word of God and believed it. He started acting on it his most humble saying “One that I live by today one of the Hallmarks that I live by is a law of the spirit of man or a mind of man.” That it is easier that I can act myself into believing faster than I can believe myself into acting. So we as a church we have tried to believe our self into acting. We keep thinking that if I keep studying, if I keep getting enough word eventually it’s going to overflow and it’s just going to happen. Friend that does not happen, it does not happen. If that were to happen that’s the same way that you would have got born again. But when you got born again you got fed up with sin, you got fed up with living in sin and you decided to turn to the Messiah. That’s the whole key when you get fed up with sickness and disease and you turn to Jehovah Rapha, the Lord our God that heals. then you will start to see sickness and disease starting to fade away because you’ll start to approach it as an enemy and not as a secondary will of God. Well God’s teaching me something from this. If that were true learn it and get out of it because that is not God’s will that you be sick that you learn from sickness and disease. He would rather teach you in health, he would rather…if that was true He could have not put sickness and disease under the curses of Deuteronomy 28 He would have had to say “Well some diseases are.” But He said “None of these diseases but every other disease is under the curse.” So it’s under the curse and not a blessing.
Sid: I believe and correct me if I’m wrong but I believe that God anointed John G. Lake to teach these principals so that the people he taught would receive the same understanding and anointing that he had. There is like an anointing on the teaching it wasn’t just the teaching it was the anointing on the teaching. And what I believe is that God’s given you that same mantle of anointing to teach that same information.
Curry: Honestly I believe you’re correct to a degree I don’t want to emphasize that difference in me because then people say “Well we’re not expected to do what you do.” The fact is that everyone’s expected to do what I do which is to pray for any person sick….
Sid: No but I believe that you’re equipped to people to move in this.
Curry: That I do agree with that I do agree with that. God has..I do believe that God has gifted me as a teacher to be able to bring these things out and explain them in a way that people can grab a hold of it. He allows me to be somewhat of a shepherd in that I can herd the people in the right direction and point them in the right direction so that might get the information,
Sid: Now you told me there was literally a twisting in the understanding of the church when they moved away from their Jewish roots.
Curry: Oh yeah.
Sid: Tell me what affect this had.
Curry: Well we have in our society as a whole but also in the church we have taken the Greek or Roman-Greco method of instruction of herding everybody into one room and sitting them all down and one man standing up and teaching them.
Sid: It’s called entertainment.
Curry: That’s exactly right and that’s about all that comes out of it they leave and to home and nothing’s changed. Well that’s what we’ve done with the ministry we herd them in, we teach them a bunch of information. There is literally no impartation but there’s information. And they get this information when they complete they get a certificate and “Now you’re on your own now go out and practice what we taught you.” That’s not the Hebrew method, it was the correct method that’s why Jesus used it.
Sid: Alright what was the Hebrew method?
Curry: Gather people together, tell them what you’re going to tell them demonstrate it and then expect them to do it. And actually show them hands on training apprenticeship type method of training.
Sid: The best Bible college in the world is to walk in the footsteps of Jesus just watch what He does and then do it.
Curry: Exactly.
Sid: That’s the method.
Curry: Yep.
Sid: But it’s so so twisted today but I believe we’re coming back to a restoration of all things and the part that you are playing right now is the restoration in the healing. Because all of us if we’re honest we say “Yes we believe in healing, yes we’ve seen people healed but we’re not seeing that high of percentage and you are.”
Curry: Yes Sir.
Sid: Because there’s a difference in the way you’re approaching it.
Curry: Yes.
Sid: And a difference in the way John G. Lake approached it and the difference in the way that John G. Lake approached it.
Curry: Right actually there was several differences but one of the main ones was the best characterized by a letter that Dr. Lake wrote to Carrie Judd Montgomery on April 22, 1911 and in that letter I’m just going to give you a couple of excerpts out of it. One of them he says:
I wrote some time ago to a missionary by the name of Hoover, at Valparaiso, Chile on the subject of divine healing which in bodies which I regard as the secret of the aggressive ministry of healing that the Pentecostal movement of South Africa demonstrates. And later he says I feel sister that there is a step in this ministry in advance of what the movement in general enjoys. And God has laid it deeply on my soul to present the particular phase of the exercise of the dominion of the Jesus Christ. And that the secret of success of here in this ministry is here in our teaching, our workers do exercise the dominion of God through the Holy Ghost that he has already put in our soul when He baptized them. While in the other branches of his work they still followed largely the old line of intercession for the sick. We do not pray for God to come and heal as in the old days but looking into his face believing that He has baptized us in the Holy Ghost and that we have received the power of God through the baptism we command in the name of Jesus the devil and his works to depart.
And then later on he gives an example where Peter said “Such as I have give I thee.” See that’s our problem we don’t have ministers that say “Such as I have give I thee.” We all put it back on God “Well it’s between God and the sick person.” It’s not between God and the sick person if you’re the minister to the Spirit of God you have no business ministering at all. The Spirit of God is what sets us apart from any religion and what sets us apart from any other belief. We have to have the tangible Spirit of the Living God because if you get the message right God can confirm it right. The reason we’re only seeing a very little bit is because our message isn’t right. Our message is get people in a right frame of mind, get people in this certain things why they can’t be healed. They have all of these excuses why they can’t be healed and we live by those. Get these excuses out of the way Jesus never gave an excuse. He never told a person “You have un-forgiveness in your heart.” I’m sorry you have this problem go and don’t do this. He healed them and said “Don’t go and sin no more unless a worse thing come on you.” He never…and there was no excuses in His ministry and he told us to do the exact same thing. It said “And Jesus healed them all several times.” And in Acts 5:16 it says “And they healed them all” when it was talking about the sick being brought to Peter and to the apostles “Healed them all.” Both times Jesus healed them all and the apostles healed them all.
Sid: Thank you Curry we’re out of time today we’ll pick up right here on tomorrows broadcast.
Tags: It's Supernatural, Sid Roth
Sid: My guest in the studio Curry Blake. Curry supernaturally came into the notes and the manual that John G. Lake used to instruct others to pray for the sick. For those that aren’t familiar with John G. Lake he was a man that studied the word and said “I want to have the same results that Yeshua, Jesus, had when He prayed for the sick” and he achieved it. I mean he had such results that they were over 100,000 verified healings in Spokane, Washington in the first quarter of the 20th Century. And the wonderful thing is he was able to instruct others to pray exactly the way he prayed because he prayed based on what the Bible had to say. Now we don’t see these results today. But Curry Blake has been following his instructions and he’s seeing the same results that John G. Lake saw and now he’s teaching seminars of this manual. How did you get this manual tell me the circumstances of it?
Curry: It was passed on from my Divine Healing Technician that Dr. Lake had trained through his family and then whenever the last member of his family died it was in the will that I receive it. The last member died actually in ’97 and I received the manual in late ’97.
Sid: Why you, I mean you’re a unknown why not give it to Kenneth Hagen, or Kenneth Copeland, or a Benny Hinn why you?
Curry: Well there is actually I could go two ways with that and say well first off I pursued it and that was one of the reasons Wilfred Wright John G. Lakes son-in-law passed the ministry to me because he said that all of the people that he had talked to I was pursuing the same anointing I wasn’t pursuing the man. I was pursuing the anointing to help the people. And so probably that’s the primary thing but I searched out people that were still alive including his Youth Pastor at the church he pastured in Spokane where Dr. Lake had started a church Devine Healing Technicians I’ve talked to them, interviewed them, taken notes studied them out and I chased this anointing. And the main thing is that anyone can get it here. Now the other aspect is that the main thing is that anyone can get it. Now the other aspect is some people believe that it was for such a time as this that this is the time for it to come forth. The family had actually kept it in their possession and most of the people that had anything to do with Lake are not very sociable in just talking about it and bringing it up. Lake has been very maligned by a lot of the denominational bodies and he’s been rejected and…
Sid: But the results that he got why would he be rejected? I mean he got the same results that Jesus got?
Curry: Right unfortunately most of the ministry today ministerial bodies are not as interested in results as they are image and position. We are still Pharisees today just like Jesus did.
Sid: What is your understanding of healing why does God want us to pray for the sick what is the purpose to draw attention so that you can preach the gospel what is it just people called to a healing ministry that are supposed to pray for the sick?
Curry: No, actually matter fact I emphasize I’m not doing anything special I’m just fulfilling the ministry of a believer as a person that ministers to the sick. Now I operate in another office when I teach and minister the word. But as far as praying for the sick any person, any believer, any Christian can get the same results that I’m getting and that Dr. Lake got just by being a believer. That’s the only thing any believer can do it but as far as my understanding of why God heals, He heals because that’s God nature He is life. Secondly He heals and this will throw a lot of people because it makes his enemy mad. It’s a demonstration of his authority and power over his enemy Satan. So He heals people that I didn’t even want to touch I didn’t want to lay hands on but He healed them anyway just because He wants to emphasize the victory that Jesus won over Satan and every time someone gets healed the Kingdom of God is advanced and the kingdom of Satan has to retreat. As far as a manner of why people get healed God will heal anybody anywhere anytime of anything.
Sid: Lots of people say that but the truth of the matter is as I do my detective work I see a very low percentage of people that have their healing manifested why is that?
Curry: Honestly the only reasons well there’s lots of reasons why people do not get healed in a sense a traditional reasons and excuses people use. What I found is that none of those excuses, none of those sacred cows hold any water they don’t hold up every one of them I destroy in our seminars and when we’re teaching. They all there is no reason why any person should not be healed. There is like I would saw sacred cows will keep you in milk but they won’t give you meat until you kill them. And so what we do is we kill the sacred cows. Now the main thing about most people the things that set them up the reason that most people don’t receive healings is because we have set up the reasons, the excuses, and then we allow those excuses to stand we accept them. And we expect the excuses to stand more than the word of God. We expect them not to get healed because there’s un-forgiveness in their heart because there’s this going on their life, because of spiritual atmosphere is not clean. If we waited for the spiritual atmosphere to be clean we’d never do anything. It is our jobs as Christian soldiers of the cross to go in and blast the atmosphere to cleanse it by healing. Now you say is healing a calling card now I already called it a calling card to the gospel. In one way that’s true but in actually see our problem is the reason we don’t have a lot of healings is because people look at it is an add on. It’s one of those added fringe benefits you buy this and we’ll throw in this for free. That’s not what healing was healing is the gospel it is setting captives free, it is the physical manifestation of the life of God in a person’s body just like salvation is the manifestations spirit it’s the same thing. There is no difference between the two and healing is it is the gospel it is setting the captive free because as long as one person Christian or non-Christian is sick in body then that is a captive that still being held in bondage. Because even Jesus talked about the woman who Satan had bound low these 18 years shouldn’t she be loosed. So she was in bondage as long as any person is in bondage in sickness and disease then there is a gospel of proclaiming the liberty to the captives that’s what we do.
Sid: Okay someone is sick they come to you to be prayed for are there certain requirements on their part to be healed that you state? Do they have to get rid of all un- forgiveness, do they have to say a prayer of salvation first? Do they…what requirements do you put on somebody? I have a better question you’re in a mall and you’re in a department store and you see someone limping you know that there’s something wrong with them. What do you do?
Curry: Well I’m human so generally I kind of all back and I watch them for a while and a lot of times I’ll go right up to them. As I go up to them the first thing that I do is ask them I’ll tell them who I am I’ll say “Hello I’m Curry Blake this may sound crazy to you but I pray for the sick and God heals them; it has nothing to do with me has nothing to do with you just God doing what He does.”
Sid: But what requirement do you put on them?
Curry: None.
Sid: None.
Curry: No more whatsoever no they…I don’t expect them to pray I don’t… like with Dr, Lake. Dr. Lake said it is the worst type of coercion to take a sick person and demand that they become a servant of God before God heals them. He said that it’s a coercion that God wouldn’t use. And whenever you say you’ve got to get saved before I’ll pray for you if that was true then we would have all had to get saved before God would have sent His Son. Well God sent His Son while we were yet sinners so He heals them first. See the goodness of God draws man to repentance get them healed first and they’ll come to God that’s not a problem. So we don’t set up any type of requirements they don’t have to be sinners, saints, Gentile, Jew it doesn’t make no difference.
Sid: Okay let’s take something dramatic let’s have you walking in a mall and say there is someone with a deformity you can see this one sort of deformity. Think of one person that you prayed for like that.
Curry: We were in Dillard’s at Valley View Mall in Dallas, Texas my wife was exchanging a Christmas gift I was standing around bored I usually take a book with me I didn’t this time so I’m just standing around looking at people. And as we walked by there was a little Hispanic woman that probably her 60’s walked past. Had a young boy at probably or 7 years old. They were walking and she was limping one foot was twisted and it was turned back it’s not actually club foot but it’s twisted back. And you could tell that it had been that way for some time. I saw her and I started following her and no set reason and I notice sickness and disease it sticks out to me. And I started following her around and I followed her for some time like I said I’m human I don’t just want to go up to stranger too and just start out the same thing that hit me and hit other people hit me also. But I learn to go through anyway because people need to be set free. So I followed her around and she notice it and I think she thought that I was store security in following. I stopped her and started trying to talk to her she didn’t speak English I had to motion to her that I don’t speak Spanish I tried to motion to her the best way I could that I wanted to pray for her foot. When she said “Okay I actually knelt down on the floor and sometimes when I pray I tend to get loud, no set reason, but it just works that way well I started praying for her and as I started praying for her your first thought is that everybody’s looking at you and they did people started stopping and watching and wondering what this white guy is doing praying for this little Hispanic woman here. And I had her foot in my hand and I started thinking okay I’ve got to pray quietly not to draw a crowd and then I started thinking no I’m not going to pray quietly I’m going to pray like I normally do so I just started praying. Asking I… what I generally do is I pray to God first and let the people know that in whose name I’m doing this. And then I don’t really pray for people for healing I minister healing that’s one of the differences we don’t pray we minister. We minister healing to them and I started praying and I laid hands on her and I commanded her feet to be well. And when I turned lose there was no visible sign I told her to start walking she wouldn’t she start limping and I grabbed her by the hand and took off with her and kept walking with her until she walked normal. When she walked normal she threw up her hands and started yelling “Gloria a Jesus” and she was instantly healed.
Sid: Can anyone pray like this and get the same results?
Curry: Yes.
Tags: It's Supernatural, Sid Roth
SID: Extreme favor. When you understand all the principles of the Hiram Code, we were just talking about one. We talked about two. We talked about revival. We talked about extreme, extreme favor for you and your house. Tell me about that young pastor.
RON: Yes. Eric Clark down in the Hilton Head area, not too far from here, Eric, a pastor, had been through a lot of struggles, came to a conference at our church about five years ago. A prophetic word was released into him by one of our speakers and he went back to Hilton Head and started a church, was meeting at a rental property. And my son went over, they’re friends, and called me up and said, “Dad you need to come over. I just think you need to come over and speak to these people and close this meeting out.” So I went over and closed the meeting on a Wednesday night. And when I got up to speak I said, “You will not stay in this rental property.” It just kind of came out of my mouth, you know, by the Holy Spirit and prompting of angels. So we had this tremendous meeting that night. And so a few, a couple of months later Pastor Eric called me and he said, “Pastor Ron,” he said, “What do I need to do? You told us we’d be blessed,” just like he asked me. “How am I going to get blessed?” I said, “Well let me ask you a question. Are you supporting Israel in any way?” And he said, “I believe in it, but no, tangibly, no we haven’t.” He said, “How can I do that?” I said, “Well if you want to you can send it in the sum of the works that are going on in Israel.” And so he sent $150 each month. Now that’s a small church start. One day I get, my son calls me and said, “Dad, you’ve got to come in here. Eric’s on the phone.” And a man walked in there, the son of a minister whose dad had built a church and then passed away. The church had ceased operating, multiple acres, finished buildings, two to three million dollars in property and threw the keys up on his desk it said, “We owe $400,000. If you’ll take up the payments you can have it.” And the payments were less than his rent, his rental property. And this happened in less than six months, a complete turnaround of his ministry just like that.
SID: How about you? How has it affected you? You’ve lived your life this way.
RON: When I really began to connect and not only mentally and in teaching, but really began to sow into that, we made trips over there, not just tourist trips, but begin to love Israel and support it, God has brought me, I have no debt. All of my children are Christians serving the Lord. My son has now just finished is doctorate and came out of the secular world ten years ago, called and is now really doing the day-to-day operations of the church, giving us a legacy. My daughter in Knoxville is on staff at the Fellowship Church there and very active in that great church.
SID: You tell me about these pastors that have been blessed.
RON: Yes.
SID: I keep hearing about pastors. But Ron tells me he’s been teaching this these principles to his congregation. Tell me, does it work with the average person as much as with someone in ministry?
RON: It does. This is essential as understanding the principle of the tithe in Malachi where God said, “I will open up the windows of Heaven and pour you out a blessing.” That revelation comes through, you know, the Jewish people to us. And I have, one of my dearest friends is a contractor. I wouldn’t call his name, but he was building houses and then when he got, really got into sowing and connecting with our work there in the church, not only in Israel, but everywhere, he now builds mostly million-dollar facilities. His family is in the business with him, tremendously blessed. But I’ve seen people, we’ve had, I’ve got a guy that was in a lower level in his business in his career and got promoted over two or three people that were older than him. And they are, there are so many examples.
SID: You talk about, I wish we had more time, you talk about something I’ve never heard people teach on, The Key of Isaac. Briefly.
RON: Yes, quickly. Well you know, the Bible says of Isaac that he sowed in a famine. Just like our time when we feel like, especially middle class and lower middle class people seem to, even social security was reduced for the first time this year for people. They seem to be having a difficult time to be in a season of shortage. This was the moment when Isaac sowed in Gerar and got a hundredfold increase when he did. And Isaac is the son of promise. And I really believe when biblical time comes we’ve got to be willing to sow into a ministry. And at the risk of, it’s not always, we give alms, you know, people want to give to the poor. But God says, “I will repay you for that one on one.” But seed sowing is when someone sows into your ministry, which is good ground. That’s where the hundredfold increase, when they’re living in a difficult situation and they’re willing. I don’t believe God will ever ask you to give something you don’t have. I’m not one of those. But if you can, you sow a seed during a season of difficulty in your own life into a fruitful ministry that’s where the multiplication comes into our lives of God’s favor.
SID: I believe that if you pray for those watching right now to get in alignment and to start operating in extreme favor that things are going to change in their life right now.
RON: Father, right now in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth may our words be turned into fire and oil of anointing, fresh oil and new wine going out. Right now, Lord, would you release miracle favor right now. Lord, with those who are receiving this program right now, not just receive knowledge, but Lord, would they receive anointing and favor, and promotion. And Lord, let them learn what it is to have an Isaac anointing and sow seed in the ministries that bear good ground, good fruit and good ground. And Lord, I pray for those who get into proper alignment, help them, Lord, to come out of a doctrine that doesn’t support Israel. Help them to be in ministries and support ministries that support Israel like this one. And Lord, I pray that blessing and favor will be released, not ten years from now, but in a matter of days and weeks, and begin to see the turnaround. And some will know a miracle, Lord, even today. In the name of Jesus Christ we lift that. And Lord, we pray for the peace of Jerusalem and we pray for the salvation of Jew and gentile in Jesus’ name. Amen.
Tags: its supernatural, Sid Roth