Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Dr. Dale Fife, I’m talking to him about his book “The Secret Place.” Because it had a major impact on my life and when God deals with me He deals with you because we’re in it together Mispochah. Back in January 1, 1999 Dale prayed a prayer that wasn’t premeditated it just came right out of his heart. And he said “God I want to walk with you like Enoch did.” And as he says in his book it changed his life forever. But what is… it’s wonderful Dale that your life has been changed forever, but what about our listeners? What about people that read your book, everyone that’s listening to me wants their life changed, wants to walk like Enoch walked. I mean Enoch had such intimacy with God that one day rather than dying in the natural fashion he didn’t even die the way most human’s have to die it’s just that he’s no more because he got caught up he got raptured. Can Joe Q. Christian, can I have that type of walk?
Dale: My answer Sid is absolutely, in fact God is more hungry and desirous for intimacy with you and with me and with all of His creation than we are with Him. The cry of His heart I continually hear when I think about the Garden of Eden when God came to walk with Adam and Eve in the cool of the day and they were hiding from Him and He cried out “Adam, Adam where are you?” That’s the cry I hear in heart of the Messiah today, that’s the cry that I hear in God’s heart “Where are you, I’m longing for intimacy with you; I sent My Son to die for you so that we could walk again in intimacy” In fact the very image of the veil of the Temple being rent into we indicating now that intimacy with God was available to all people, to all that would come is an indication that the whole purpose of sending the Messiah goes beyond just the forgiveness of our sins it is the call of God back to intimacy. It is the restoration of intimacy that God wants with every human being that had been made.
Sid: In your book you say that it’s promotion time, promotions are going to come very quickly in the Body. And there are as a release of governing anointing just waiting right now. Is that the type of thing that God’s going to be doing for those that He becomes friends with?
Dale: I believe so, I believe that you cannot lead without revelation and the actual quality of our spiritual life is directly determined by the time we spend in His presence. We are… I mean God never leaves us or forsakes us He’s always with us but there is that manifestation of His presence. Even the Old Testament priests in the Tabernacle longed for that moment. We go into the Holy of Holies, we stand in His presence, we communicate with Him the glory of God surrounds us and we stand between heaven and earth so to speak in that place of intimacy, where the supernatural world becomes more real than the natural.
Sid: Well you say in your book the term supernatural it-self has taken on a whole new meaning to you.
Dale: Yes, yes.
Sid: Tell me, I’ll tell you because I’ve read so many neat things in your book. Tell me about you call it intercessor on assignment. And there was one time where you were taken to the middle of Russia; tell me about that.
Dale: I remember the experience very well Sid we were at a meeting at our church and it was a Friday night what we call just an intercessory prayer time. And we had gathered and we were praying and we were preparing our hearts and we believe that there needs to be before we just pray we need God to come and cleanse us and cleanse our thoughts and our spirit from our days activities. And then a point, arrive for duty; intercession has taken on such a whole new meaning for me because most people have a concept of prayer that is, that is a religious concept “Well prayer means that we come before God and we make our requests known to God and…
Sid: And we also use King James English.
Dale: Yes.
Sid: The Thee’s and Thou’s.
Dale: Instead of understanding that first of all prayer is communication, it’s intimacy with God. And the Lord gave me this in a powerful vision of incense and this Priest. I was at a Greek Orthodox Church one day for a funeral and the Priest came out and he had this censor and he walked around the casket waving this sensor back and forth. And as he did so the incense began to fill the room. And it left such a powerful image on my perception because smell is the most powerful provoker of memory that we have. And so a day or so later I was sitting on a friends porch in Florida and with my journal open and I’m sitting there and I’m saying “God what do You have to say to me?” And I could smell this wonderful fragrance of orange blossoms and suddenly I had this picture that the Lord brought into my mind and He said “I want to speak to you again about the incense and the censor that you saw the other day.” And He began to say to me that prayer is incense and it is something that we have not fully understood as a church or as a body of believers. And this is what He said “The Old Testament priests needed 3 things he needed the censor, he needed the incense and he needed the fire and he needed all 3 of those ingredients to accomplish his duty.” And this is what the Lord spoke to me Sid He said “Son I want you to understand something I want to make you the sensor, I’m going to purify you and make you like a golden sensor; and then I’m going to take the fire of My Holy Spirit and ignite what I put in your heart.” And I said “Lord, what about the incense?” And He said “Here’s the problem most people make their own incense and it comes up before me in a way that is not really what I’m looking for.” He said “The incense that I want to burn in your heart is the burden that’s on My heart; and I will take what’s on My heart and I will cast that incense into your heart and ignite it by My Holy Spirit and that’s true intercession.” I was at the church in this prayer meeting and I walked up on to the platform and as I’m sitting there in the Lord’s presence suddenly I had a vision of these 2 angels who were hovering over me. And the one of them said to me “Son, do you want to go with us?” And I said “Of course!” And so in the Spirit I was lifted up out of the building and I could in my spirit-man I could see the building below me and then suddenly I was I saw myself in Russia descending into a Russian home with the living room was well lit it was a warm glow and there was a little boy in a crib on the side of the room that was sick unto death. I could see myself in the Spirit going to this little boy laying my hands upon him and praying “Lord Jesus heal this boy.” And instantly I was gone. And the next scene I was in a European city…
Sid: Excuse me though while you were praying for this little boy did you just see it or did you actually feel the anointing of God going from you into him; was it a feeling our just seeing?
Dale: I could see, I could absolute describe the detail of every part of the room to you. But when I laid my hands on this little boy I could feel the power of God surge through me. It was just like a powerful release of God’s healing. I honestly say that I was conscience of the fact that I’m in the church building but I believe in the Spirit I was on assignment for prayer. And I was praying in the Spirit, I was praying what was on the heart of God; you know the plea of that Russian family “Lord heal our son!” And so God enlisted me as an intercessor to pray for that need.
Sid: Oh I believe that that young child was healed.
Dale: Absolutely.
Sid: And when you get to heaven or maybe before; maybe you’ll come out to Ukraine with me or to Russia and we’ll find that young kid.
Dale: Amen.
Sid: Well anyway did the next thing intriguing me even more about Europe.
Dale: Yes, I was suddenly I found myself in a European city the cobblestone streets. It was night and there was a light rain that had just fallen, the houses were dark and I found myself walking down the street and I passed an ally. As I looked down the ally I saw this beautiful woman who had been dressed… she was like in like her bridal dress and she had been brutally raped and she was lying in the ally in all of this filth. Her dress was stained with blood and I rushed to her and I picked her up in my arms and I said “Oh God, don’t let this experience poison her life heal her and restore her!” and suddenly I was gone. It wasn’t until several months later that the Lord spoke to me that “That’s the church, the bride was the church and that she has been abused and harmed and poisoned and that we need to pray that God will bring cleansing and healing and restoration.”
Sid: And as you and I have been discussing what we call church today will not be remotely close to what God has in store.
Dale: Hm hmm.
Sid: And it will no longer be church as usual.
Dale: That’s right, that’s right. And then suddenly I was moved Sid to I found myself over the Atlantic Ocean in the midst of a tremendous storm of hurricane strength and waves were tossing this sailboat back and back and forth, and back and forth. And I could see this huge wave coming towards it and I rushed to the side of the boat and I put my hands on it and I could see a glow in the front and in the back of the boat I knew that there were angelic beings assisting this situation and the wave passed and the people on board were spared.
Sid: Oh, we’re out of time…. Mishpochah how would you like to be God’s intercessor on assignment…
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Sid: My guest by way of telephone Dr. John Miller he’s a physician, a chiropractor, a specialist in nutrition and alternative medicine. And what he was saying yesterday probably shocked so many of our listeners we’ll pick up right there where you left off John on yesterday’s broadcast. I asked you a question “Why in the world are you a doctor into alternative medicine and in nutrition and in vitamins? And your answer was? Why don’t you answer that again?
John: The answer is because God had another plan, He has the spiritual plan that supersedes the physical plan.
Sid: If there was no spiritual plan you’d have the best plan in the world, but because there’s a spiritual plan as you pointed out it actually diminishes God’s spiritual plan when you have your faith in the physical plan. Did I say that right?
John: Absolutely.
Sid: Now let’s start with 1st Timothy chapter 4.
John: Okay we’re going to back up what we have said over the previous programs let’s start with verse 1 “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly.” Let’s stop right there Paul is saying that the Holy Spirit is getting ready to say something and He’s going to say it very powerfully very concise. He speaketh expressly, “In the latter times (And we all agree that we’re in the latter times) things shall depart from the faith.” Now what is the faith? Faith is belief in what God says so some are going to depart from what God says about the way things operate “Giving heed to seducing spirits.” Now that tells us what’s behind everything that comes against faith in what God says it’s seducing spirits, it’s the devil that doesn’t want you to believe in what God says. “Giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devil.” Let’s get to verse 3 “Forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from meat which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.” Now we talked previously about God having clean and unclean animals. He told in the Old Testament don’t eat the unclean animals. But this verse says that “God has created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.” Now if you do not believe and know the truth then all animals are not good to eat but if you believe and know the truth. And the truth is that at Calvary 2000 years ago Jesus took our infirmities and bore our sicknesses and by His stripes we were healed.” Then you can receive the creatures with thanksgiving (Let’s go to the next verse) “for every creature of God is good and nothing to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving for its sanctified by the word of God and prayer.” I talked previously about pork meat being unclean according to the Bible and scientifically we know that it’s the most toxic meat there is but these verses of scripture that I just read says that that pork mean it good and not to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving and sanctified by the word. And remember this is only good for those who believe and know the truth. So God uses unclean animals as types; remember when Peter was on the rooftop and God was getting ready to send Peter to Cornelius’s house who was a Gentile an Italian, and God lowered a blanket with unclean animals on it and told Peter “Take and eat.” And Peter said “No Lord I’ve never eaten anything unclean.” And God told him “Don’t call unclean that which I’ve cleaned.” And then He sent him to Cornelius’ house the Gentile; the Gentiles were considered unclean. And God saved Cornelius’ house and poured out the Holy Spirit on them and when Peter came back to tell the other disciples that it was true and God poured out His Spirit on them for we heard them speak with tongues as we had done. What God is saying is “Gentiles are unclean and the living word applied to their life, who is Jesus, Jesus was the word that became flesh. The living word applied to my life makes us go from unclean to clean. Now when I sit down with a pork chop in front of me as a scientist I know that that’s not good for me to eat. But as a believer in what God says I receive it with thanksgiving and sanctified by the word and God does a miracle. You see…
Sid: But why ask God to do a miracle why don’t you just eliminate the pork chop?
John: Because I want to express faith in what Jesus said “Jesus said “Take not a thought what ye shall eat Jesus said eat whatever they put in front of you.” And you brought out earlier if I eliminated the pork chop with chicken or beef it’s so full of chemicals anyway I have to apply the same rules. In other words, God does not want us to be preoccupied with our diet. You see the whole Christian television world has got everybody preoccupied with what they’re going to eat. In the Old Testament God told the Jews “Don’t integrate with any other people.” Don’t take up their customs I don’t want you contaminated with them and eat like this stay away from all the other people.” The New Testament it says “Go ye into all the world and preach.” So we have to go where the eating customs are different. I was at a function one time and a great man of God who had a PhD in nutrition was sitting next to me and a man came and said “Sir we have an opening in Cuba would you go organize the missionaries in Cuba and he said “No, they kill you with pig meat.” See God’s gospel would be stifled if we paid attention to diet, that’s why the New Testament says “Take not a thought what you shall eat go and eat because you’re already healed.”
Sid: Now the reason that I’m having John Miller share this with you is not to knock alternative medicine, or not to knock vitamins it’s because if you can get single minded on the benefits God has in the atonement of not only forgiveness of all of your sins, but healing of all of your diseases and not be double minded. John give me an example of someone that had a creative miracle from taking communion and understood the benefits the man that you were telling about that had a bladder problem.
John: This was in Largo, Florida I taught on communion in a church there and I’d received a telephone call from a lady that attended the church about 6 weeks later. She said that her and her husband were out of town that Sunday, but when they got back in town and went to church everybody was talking about the communion message that I had delivered. So they ordered the tapes and she said her husband was a very quiet and private man. He had cancer of the bladder and he had a tube going down his leg with a bag tied to his leg. She said that when he would come home from work he would say “Where is that tape of Dr. Miller?” And she would get it for him and he would take it back in his bedroom. The second week he asked her to get the unleavened bread and the wine so she knew that he was really advancing with this teaching. She said “Dr. Miller my husband’s totally healed of the cancer in the bladder and the urethra he doesn’t wear the bag and he’s teaching your communion message in Full Gospel Businessman’s Fellowships all over the country.” Now this is the type of pupil that I like. It seems as though that ministry has turned into showmanship. And it’s jacked the people up emotionally, but I would rather have the quiet guy that listens to the message gets it in his spirit and acts on it and gets the healing. I’d rather him go to the church service and jump and shout and proclaim how God healed him than have him get the healing in the service because of the anointing that’s present, then leave and lose it as the statistics show happens.
Sid: Do you believe that one of the reasons people lose their healings is because they do not understand the benefits of the atonement, that point of contact being communion?
John: Absolutely. You see the church world is set on selling miracles you got to have a miracle for this for that at a certain time. This is your day expect a miracle it’s a one shot deal see. And what the Bible wants us to come into is not a visitation from God but a residence of God. Every breath that I breathe in I know it’s polluted and will cause harm in my body every drink of every liquid you can analyze it and it has substances that are not good for my body, as is every bit of food. So I have to have I have to live in a continuous miracle to walk in divine health.
Sid: Do you take communion once a month with your local church?
John: I’ve taken communion at least once a day for the past 10 years.
Sid: There are a lot of people that feel they can’t do it in their home there has to be a pastor doing it or a priest.
John: Well a lot of churches teach that and they’ve robbed the church from communion, but communion started in homes. Jesus started the communion at the last Passover. The New Testament Church broke bread daily from house to house. In the doctrine from transubstantiation came along in about 831 AD the first priest wrote the paper on it.
Sid: Awe we don’t have time will pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.
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Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Dr. John Garr. I’m interviewing him this week on his book “Restoring Our Lost Legacy.” Something you said on yesterday’s broadcast I’ve been pondering, and that is that “Many Gentile believers in Jesus feel they had replaced Israel replaced, the Jewish people.” What you’ve said is according to scripture they have not replaced they’ve come alongside the natural Jews. And for instance today all over the world it’s Passover. Jewish people are going into the Synagogues and having the Passover Seder and how would a Gentile believer in Jesus relate to this based on the scriptures?
John: Well based on the scriptures I think that it would be very important Sid for the average Christian to recognize the fact that our faith as believers in Jesus is anchored in the event that occurred on the day of Passover. When Jesus Himself was crucified on the cross of Calvary and became the Passover Lamb that brought salvation and redemption to us and to all mankind. The connection between this event and the Exodus event should be clearly understood and easily understood by Christians. But unfortunately because of Christianity’s historical view that the church has replaced Israel and Christianity has replaced Judaism as God’s religion there has been an effort to try to see that there’s no connection between Christianity and Judaism. So therefore we’ve replaced the festivals of Judaism with Christian festivals and Christian holy days. We’ve replaced all of the ceremony and everything else eventually so there’s a disconnect and Christianity has now defined itself as not being Jewish. But there can be nothing more clear in the development of Christianity then the connection with Judaism it’s continuity with Judaism then the story of the Passover. The Passover was the event that liberated the Jewish people from the Egyptian bondage which had been unrest to them and set them forth on a journey to go to Sinai and meet God and enter into a Covenant with Him at Sinai they were liberated in order to come into covenantal relationship with God to be His people. So therefore, Passover wasn’t completed until they reached Sinai and entered into God’s Covenant received His Covenant and became collectively as a nation God’s chosen people. Well the same thing has happened to us as believers we have come out of the bondage of sin and death by the agency of the Lamb that was slain upon Mount Calvary. As Paul uses the analogy that He was the Lamb that was slain from the very foundation of the earth. John the Baptist said “Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.” This was all in the context of this metaphor of the Passover Lamb’s being fulfilled or being brought to this fullness, or filled full, in the experience of Jesus being on the cross at Calvary but God has brought us into this Passover experience. So we Christians today have a far greater reason to celebrate Passover than our Jewish friends do, not to minimize the importance of Passover for our Jewish friends because without the Passover event they would not be an identifiable people and they would not be in an identifiable religion as it is today. But we have come to an experience where we have been liberated not just from the bondage of an enslavement in an earthly sense or a physical sense we have been liberated from this awful enslavement from the power of sin and have been liberated and brought in to the glorious kingdom of God and in effect have become a part of God’s kingdom. The same kingdom that God established among Israel now we have come alongside the Jewish people in being a part of that chosen people that bear the name of God in the earth. So we certainly have a strong connection with the Jewish people and should identify with the Jewish people wherever they are, and share in this part of the salvation history that God Himself brought forth.
Sid: I understand John the distancing if you will of the early church from anything Jewish because the Jewish people were being persecuted and the early church didn’t want any more persecution than they had; so they deliberately got rid of everything Jewish and substituted as you put it a thin veneer of pagan things but for good things that have happened in the life of Jesus. But it still was… came from a pagan heritage and you know I can almost understand all of that, but what I can’t understand is why, and I come from a traditional Jewish background, why do we Jews regard Christians as the most anti-Semitic group in history? And why were they and the fact is they were, why?
John: Well it’s just a fact of history and it’s unfortunate it’s basically the scar on the face of the Christian Church that it’s almost unremovable is the Church’s attitude in history toward the Jewish people. And I think that one of the reasons for that is that there’s always been this hatred of the God of Israel that’s been at the core of anti-Semitism. They even predate the date of the first century there was this attitude among Haman in the Persian kingdom all the way back. This identity that there’s a people among you who don’t fit in because they worship another God whose strange to us and is not in the best interest of the king to tolerate these people. So the world at large, because of the pagan heart that is man opposed first of all to the God of Israel. And then secondly they’ve been opposed to the people who represent that God to Israel and there’s no more people that’s more specifically and clearly are identified as the people of the God of Israel who makes demands righteous demands on humanity than the Jewish people. So the Jewish people have been hated. It’s unfortunate that this spirit began to permeate the church because within the church there were people who were very anti-Semitic and coming from their cultures they didn’t trust the Jews, they didn’t like the Jews and they didn’t like Judaism. So in order to elevate Christian thought and the Christian religion and their experience they felt that the best thing to do was to do away with every Jewish element from it. In fact Constantine himself the Roman Emperor the 4th Century said that “Concerning Passover observance this irregularity must be discontinued so that we can have nothing in common with the murderers and parasite of our Lord.” Now that’s a direct quote. What he was talking about was the fact that the earliest church was continuing up until that time to worship and celebrate the death, burial and resurrection at the time of Passover according to the Jewish calendar. Now I think that that’s a very interesting thing that the church was still doing this for 4 centuries in the western part of the church and it was still observing Passover until the 11th Century in the eastern part of the church or the Eastern Orthodox part of the Church. Then we come to this time frame and all of this was done away because the idea was now we can have nothing in common with the Jewish people because they were they were “the murderers of our Lord.” Which is the most ridiculous accusation that could be hurled against the Jewish people.
Sid: For those ignorant people that don’t know why it’s ridiculous would you explain.
John: Well the reality is the Jewish people in the time of people the vast majority of the Jewish people “the Jews” probably 90% of them didn’t even live in Israel, or in the land of Judah; they didn’t live there they were scattered in the diaspora. But at the same token only a small handful of the leadership of the nation of Israel at that time worked in collaboration with the Roman authorities to eliminate what they perceived as a threat to social order and that was to get rid of Jesus because there was a growing feeling among a large and increasing segment of the Jewish population at that time that this Jesus was the Messiah. He was the expected deliverer and so the political authorities thought that the best thing to do in order to put down this rising tide of interest of someone who might pose them a political and military problem was simply to eliminate Him. And so they got together in context with the Roman leaders, Pontius Pilate and the others that were working with him, and the leadership of Israel. Which by that time we have to understand that even the High Priest was appointed by the Roman authorities and not by divine anointing or anything, it was basically an appointment by the Roman authorities. So they conspired among themselves to put down this political threat and that was to do away and destroy Jesus. So the mass of the Jewish people were nowhere involved in the crucifixion of Jesus and indeed the Gentiles, the Romans, were the ones that held the ultimate responsibility because they alone had the power of execution. They could either allow a person to live or they could execute that person the Jews didn’t have that power the Jewish authorities in that day. So the responsibility for the execution of Jesus rests on the Roman authorities of the Gentiles and not on the Jews. So the church turned it all the way around and said that the Jews killed Jesus and so since the Jews killed Jesus it’s okay for us to hate them, it’s alright for us to persecute them and as the story goes along it becomes alright for us to kill them all in the name of Jesus. Now this is one of the great authorities of history that such a religion of faith and love and beauty and purity have been turned and twisted completely around to become a religion of hate and or murder.
Sid: You know that wouldn’t have ever happened if the church had not been diluted by its original Jewish heritage.
John: Absolutely if the church had continued to recognize the fact that it was inherently Jewish none of that would have ever happened. Because in effect, for a Christian who understands that his faith is inherently Jewish it’s impossible to hate Jews because if you do it’s a form a self-hatred, you’re hating yourself. (Laughing) It’s pretty astounding when you start thinking about it.
Sid: What about the Sabbath I mean this is such a controversial thing as far as I’m concerned from searching the scriptures God never changed the specific day. He did show the fulfillment of the Sabbath is a person not a day Jesus, but by the same token He never changed a specific day. Why is it so important to make the shift from Saturday to Sunday I’m not looking at it in any legalistic fashion but why was that so important?
John: Well again this was one of the things that was finally culminated in the Constantine time in the time of Constantine in the 4th Century was the requirement that people in the Roman Empire set apart Sunday and the church set apart Sunday as opposed to the Sabbath as a time for worship. But it basically developed over a period of many centuries before that time because the church being a Jewish entity were worshiping God on the Sabbath, and their worship carried over on the end of the Sabbath which was the sundown on Saturday into the first day of the week which would have been any time after sundown on Saturday evening. And they continued to worship that when you read these Arab references when you read about the first day of the week this is what it’s talking about.
Sid: Whoop we’re out of time.
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SID: James, as he began to study the Bible, found out that man was originally wired for success. Explain.
JIM: Yeah. You know, the very first thing that God said to man was, “be fruitful and multiply”. We’re created in the likeness and image of God and we are designed to rule and reign in life as kings. And we’re not supposed to be like the paupers. We’re supposed to be like the kings. And so one of the things I discovered is that the first place we have to start is, is it really God’s will? Is this really what God wants for us? I began to see that the Bible says, “God takes pleasure in the prosperity of his servants.” I began to see all of these promises.
SID: So why is it today if someone is in ministry or a strong Christian they’re not supposed to get prosperous? They’re not supposed to have a big home. Why is that mentality there if, from originally we were supposed to be blessed?
JIM: You know, there’s been a deception in the world from the father of all lies that has gotten woven into Christianity throughout history. And when these lies appear they appear in many forms to try to steal from us what God has given us through his word and through the finished work of Jesus. And so you see this lie manifest in two different ways. You see it manifest in this extreme concept of greed and get rich quick schemes, and all this kind of stuff. But then there’s the other side of it where there’s something spiritual about being poor, something, some blessed aspect of it.
SID: Is it that the devil tries to get us coming and going?
JIM: Yes it is. It is like he’s going to give us every lie that could possibly fill us. But you know, the Bible says that poverty is the destruction of the poor. Man, when you’re poor, you don’t have time for God. You can’t take care of your family. You’re struggling, you’re under pressure. And that’s actually a form of temptation. Anything, according to the meaning of the Greek word for temptation, anything that causes me to strive is something that’s trying to seduce me into compromising my life.
SID: Is poverty a curse?
JIM: Yes it is. The Bible is very clear that poverty is the curse of the Law. And that really brings us to the next phase, and on my journey, I was realizing that Jesus delivered me from the curse of the Law. And you look at that and you go, and I remember saying, now God, I know this is true. I know this is your truth, but I’m not experiencing your truth.
SID: Is that what, in other words, we were wired for success with Adam and Eve.
JIM: That’s right.
SID: Then came the Fall.
JIM: Yup.
SID: What happened? Did we get rewired the wrong way?
JIM: We didn’t get rewired. We got programmed. We got conditioned. You know, the oldest lie that Lucifer brought to Planet Earth was that God is not good. He is not the one that’s going, that you can trust. He’s not the one that’s going to do good things for you. You need enlightenment and you can do it for yourself independent of God. Oldest lie in the world.
SID: You talk about boundaries, imaginary boundaries that limit us. Explain that.
JIM: Well the Bible says in the Book of Proverbs, fourth chapter, 23rd verse, it says, “Guard your heart above all else ,that you guard because out of it flows the issues of life.” That word, “issues” could have just as well been translated as boundaries. And what that is telling us, it’s telling us that all the limitations in our life, we may think they’re out here. We may think they’re because of the economy, we may think they’re because of the circumstances, we may think it’s because of the people that oppose us. But the real truth is all boundaries are determined by what we believe about ourselves. And I realized that I accepted a definition of myself that was based on what my life had been. And I had to look at the Word of God and say, who does God say that I am. And I started connecting to me resurrected with Jesus, me being a new creation. When you connect with the resurrected Jesus and you realize that all the promises of God, every promise that God has ever made to anyone is yes for you, when you’re in Jesus, that boundary is going to expand. Those limitations are going to start going away.
SID: Do you feel you have any limitation? I mean, coming from the background that he came from, I mean, you could not have been economically lower than you were. How in the world did you turn it around for yourself?
JIM: You know, this is God working in your heart. You know, and I’ll tell you something. When my wife and I began to see these biblical principles, we realized that we had done the same thing with poverty that we had done with sickness. Yeah, I had good excuse to be sick. I was born with this. I didn’t do anything to make this happen. I didn’t, you know, this was a genetic. You know, when you got an excuse for something then you justify it and you live with the excuse. And I’ve done that with sickness. Well you know what? I realized that I was looking at my life saying, you know, I had these doctor bills. I didn’t do this. I didn’t do anything wrong. I didn’t mismanage any money. I wasn’t dishonest. But you know what? That was an excuse because I was allowing my circumstances to define how big God could be. I want to tell you something, Sid. We got on our knees at the foot of our bed one night and we apologized to God, literally. We just said, Father, we know you love us. We know that when Jesus was raised from the dead that he conquered all the curse of the Law and we have no right to live this way. We have no right to be destitute. And we repented. That means changed our mind. We changed our mind and we made a determination. We said, God from this day forward, we will never be here again unless we’re here because we’ve given it all away or unless we’re suffering for righteousness sake. But we will never be desperate again because we have failed to trust you and operate by your word in our lives.
SID: Do you, most people though, there’s going to be economic [trouble], throughout the world, in the last days.
JIM: Right.
SID: Do we have to go through that? Do we, is there anything we can do to prosper in these last days or is it just inevitable?
JIM: Well you know, Isaac sowed in the time of famine and the Bible says he reaped incredibly. And all the Bible shows us, you know, Joseph, Daniel, all of these people, they prospered in situations where that they should have suffered in.
SID: You know what I believe? I believe when times are tough, God is going to make believers shine.
JIM: Oh yeah.
SID: And it’s going to be, there’s going to be such a contrast everyone is going to want to be a believer. When we come back I want to find out more about this.
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SID: Rick was in Heaven for eight hours. And I recently asked him, what were the two most profound things from this trip to Heaven that you were told. Tell me about when He, when the Lord said to you, you had the key of joy. What did that mean?
RICK: Well He said that I had used the key to eternal joy to have that experience.
SID: And so what is it?
RICK: That’s what I said. I said, “Lord, what did I do? What key?” Yeah. He said, when I set my heart to do the things that would bring him joy, that brought him pleasure instead of just seeking my own pleasure, my own joy, He said, that is the key to eternal joy, because it is the joy of the Lord, not our joy, that is our strength.
SID: And so the paradigm is all wrong for most believers. Most believers are after their joy and it’s a paradox when you go, if I’m understanding you right, Rick, when you go after God’s joy, what is going to make him joyful, you end up with more joy than if you were going after your joy. Is that what you’re saying?
RICK: He says we were created for his pleasure. So I did a, I did study, research, what are the things that bring God joy? And I set my heart to do these things every day. As much as I can, I’m going to, today I’m going to bring the Lord joy. And when I set about to do that, that somehow that was the key. But He said it was a key every believer has and we can use it every day. But it’s mostly focusing on Him, bringing Him pleasure, bringing Him joy. It is the joy of the Lord that is our strength.
SID: Give me two practical things that you might do to bring Him joy.
RICK: Well it says, the prayer of the upright is his delight. So I try to fulfill or obey, take every thought captive, turn my vain imaginations into intercession, to prayer, use my mind for him and my thoughts for Him, and to pray continually is what, and I set about to do that. I’m a long ways from getting that done. But and then it talks about, you know, when one sinner repents it brings joy to all of Heaven. And I think, you know, to lead people to the Lord, this is something, you know, we have got to be fundamentally devoted.
SID: You had another profound experience in Heaven, which is almost unbelievable to me. Tell me about that.
RICK: I’ve had experiences in Heaven before, but this one was much greater even then I’ve had before, a better place. And then He let me experience it alone, and it was it’s like, this didn’t happen anymore. It’s not even fun, you know. And Heaven, I think a profound part of this whole revelation was how important koinonia fellowship is, that we’ve got to have with God and with one another that without this even Heaven wouldn’t be Heaven without him and without one another. I believe God created Adam to need him more than anything else, but to need other people, too. We need, we have to have this kenaniah fellowship that we’re called to, which is supposed to be the foundation of church. Our basic job description as a human being is to love God. I think if we set our heart, this can be the main thing I’m going to do with my life. This is going to be the main thing that determines whether we’re successful or not. How much do we love God. And then love one another. And the manifestation of these two things, I think, is, you know, is going to bring Heaven to Earth, and that’s what He showed me at the end of this whole experience.
SID: So you got to bring Heaven to Earth.
RICK: I think that’s our basic calling.
SID: But you know what? I’m reminded the Messiah said that if you do these two things, you fulfill all of the Law. And what were the two things? Love God with all of your heart and love your neighbor as yourself. It’s so simple. You need to help confused, Rick.
RICK: It is. We’re told not to be beguiled from the simplicity of devotion to Christ.
SID: I’ll tell you what. I want you to pray whatever God shows you for a Heaven impartation to jumpstart our friendship with God and our walking the love walk. Would you pray that right now?
RICK: Lord, I pray for everyone watching, everyone who hears this. Lord, I ask that the greatest devotion, the greatest accomplishment we could ever have would be what we fasten our attention, our focus and our life on, that is loving you above all things, that we could then love one another the way we’re supposed to. And Lord, I ask you to make us contagious with that. I ask you to make us so contagious with the love of God that everyone we come in contact with would catch it, and they could never be cured. In Jesus’ name, I pray this prayer. Amen.
SID: When you walk in God’s love, according to the New Testament, you’re walking in God. When you’re dwelling in his love, you’re dwelling in God. So I challenge you. I challenge myself. Become a friend of God. The first step to be a friend is to get rid of anything separating you from Him. That’s called sin. Believe that Jesus died in your place, and He remembers your sin no more when you repent of them. And then ask Him to dwell inside of you and be your Lord. Welcome to the family.
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