Sid: I’m going to tell you something many are suffering from depression, hopelessness. They just don’t understand why their loved ones aren’t healed. Why their loved ones have left them. Why their loved ones have left the Lord. Why they’re job has just died up and they don’t understand it they love God. They believe in God but little by little they’re getting more and more hopeless. The heart is getting sicker and sicker spiritually and even physically. And God spoke to my guest Dutch Sheets you must hear because it’s for you. What was that word Dutch?
Dutch: Sid, I heard the Lord very, very clearly say to me several months ago now “The winter season is over.” And I knew what He meant but He knew immediately because of teachings that I’ve done that I would go immediately to Ezekiel 47. Of course that’s the passage that talks about the river that flows out of the temple and it starts a trickle but then it gets deeper to the ankles and to the knees and then the waist and then it’s just rushing river. And it’s of course the river of life it brings life and healing everywhere it goes. He knew I would go there because the word river in that passage doesn’t mean just a normal river, literally it means a winter torrent.
Sid: Define a winter torrent to me.
Dutch: Yes, it’s not called a winter torrent because it flows in winter. It’s called a winter torrent type of river because it’s created by winter. It’s the spring thaw that melts the snow and the ice of winter that gives us water that we need for the next season. If you’ve ever been in the mountains in the springtime you’ll see little rivulets start flowing, thousands of them. Those come together and form ankle deep trenches. Those come together and form little steams knee deep and waist deep and by the time you get to the valley there’s the rushing torrent of water. That’s what’s being described in Ezekiel 47. And I knew the Lord knew because of what He’d taught me that I would go there immediately if the winter season is over that means that the spring thaw is coming and the river of God’s Spirit, the river of His life. The river that heals is about to be released and you know in that naturally when that river comes off the mountain that steam it picks up seeds. And this is beautiful because in winter there’s a season of dormancy, but that is not always a bad thing. Sometimes we think because we’re not bearing a lot of fruit right now that we’re no good or that we’re not having enough faith. But dormitory comes from the word dormant. Sometimes we’re just resting and we’re just waiting for God to grab the seed that has been lying in the ground laying there dormant carries it down to the valley to the right place and He plants that seed. And God begins to cause new life to spring up inside of us. You know some seeds can lay dormant for years; even hundreds of years; I received a word from God the night I rededicated my heart to the Lord Sid. We’ve talked about it in this series. The night that I did that I drove back to my apartment and I turned the key off on my car and the Spirit of God filled my car. And He spoke to me I’d never experienced anything like it. And He showed me what He was going to do in my life. And I thought it would all happen the next week.
Sid: Hm.
Dutch: But it was a process and do you know 5 years ago I started experiencing some of that and I realized He spoke this to me 35 years ago and it’s just now happening.
Sid: Tell me really quickly 3 brief things He spoke to you 35 years ago that you must have been I a real hope deferred situation over.
Dutch: He spoke to me that I would see a generation delivered from drug addiction and perversion. There was a young man with me he was in the back seat of the car while I was having this encounter, it wasn’t a vision it was just God talking to me. While I was having it he started having a flash back from acid LSD consumption and started writhing in the back set of my car while I was hearing this from the Lord. He said turn around and I’ll show you what I’m going to use you to do and what you’re going to see. He said “Turn around and rebuke this drug right now.” I turned around and while he was thrashing in the backseat and I mean thrashing all over the back seat hitting the windows. And I said “In Jesus Name in the Name of Yeshua stop this now.” And he stopped, he jerked, he became calm; he looked at me and said “What in the world just happened to me?”
Sid: Huh.
Dutch: I said “The Lord just set you free that’s one picture the Lord said would happen. And then He said “You would see great signs and wonders in your ministry.” And then He said “You will become a voice to this nation and to the nations of the earth.” And see God knew when to cause the seed to begin to sprout because seeds just lay there dormant. I’ll tell you there are people listening right now you have promises from God that have not yet happened. You think that there never going to happen but God has been saving the seed of His promise for just the right time. And it’s going to spring up in the season.
Sid: I want you to say with the faith that you have in your heart a proclamation to those that are listening right now; your season is changing, proclaim that for them.
Dutch: Absolutely, I decree in the Name of Yeshua the Almighty God I decree over you that your hope-deferred is being broken. That your spiritual heart is being healed; I decree over you drug addiction will leave you; alcohol addiction I know you may have given into it in the past but it’s going to be broken off of you. That’s which you have inherited from your father or your mother will be broken off of you. Disease will be broken off of your; your season of depression is going to change. The joy of the Lord is going to become your strength; the visions and dreams that He gave you in your past are going to come alive again. They’re going to spring up from the earth just like a seed; you’re going to hope; you’re going to come alive. You’re going to tell your heart to believe again. You will have joy; you will have peace; you will see miracles; your marriage will heal; your financial situation will turn. Bankruptcy will be broken; you’ll have more this time than you had before. God is going to come through; He’s going to save your children, prodigals are coming home; they’re coming back to the Father in this season. The word that’s in them will not return void; it will accomplish everything God said He is not going to abandon you in your season of pain.
Sid: You state that brokenness and failure prepares someone for great authority, elaborate.
Dutch: Oh, I use the example of Moses who finds himself on this mountain called Horeb. He has failed; he thinks he’s lost his destiny to lead Israel. And for 40 years he’s there on a mountain whose name; which name Horeb means desolate, waste, barren, and dry. If that is not a picture of a physical place describing the life he now had I don’t know what is. But God began to use that place and eventually spoke to go back. And I love what he said “What is in your hand Moses? This is what you’re going to use to deliver my people.” He said “It’s just this stick, it’s just a staff; it’s just a dry piece of wood created by the winds and the dryness of the sun of this desolate place. And God said “Yes, but I created it and I’m going to take what you think has been devastation and I’m going to use it to represent my authority. That which is supposed to represent pain I’m going to use; that which represents dryness I’m going to work something into you through this and it’s going to now be a picture of your authority.” And the staff of Horeb became the staff of God. The mountain Horeb became the mountain of God. He just had to wait for God’s timing and full restoration to be completed and God took all of the pain just like He did with Joseph in prison. Just like He did with David in those caves of Adullam He used all of the pressure all of the pain to make them better. I think it’s important to know God will not waste your pain; He will not waste one day of your sorrow if you’ll give it to Him He will take it and transform it into something that He can use. I love that about. He will cause everything to work together for our good.
Sid: And you know what I find interesting; a lot of people think that God causes all of this desolation and all of these problems. No! But He’ll redeem and actually use everything they get it mixed up. The one that caused all that desolation is the devil. But God will even take… the devil’s so stupid. What he’s been doing to break people and to hurt people and to destroy people. God’s going to use to make them the man and woman that He’s created them to be.
Dutch: Yes, yes He will.
Sid: Now Dutch, I am so excited because I know the statistics. I know people are hurting, I know that hope has been deferred in so many people. And their catching themselves just as you’re talking. But there is a supernatural quality and you know this about your new book “Power of Hope.” It’s not natural, it’s supernatural and it’s a how to book. It gives people the tools to choose hope. It gives the practical steps to move forward; it gets your lost dreams back and changes hopelessness to victory. And it gets you ready to be infused supernaturally to be walking in the position God create you to be. I have to believe that there’s no greater satisfaction when somebody grabs these supernatural tools and starts fulfilling their destiny.
Dutch: Absolutely, it’s just incredible to see it. I see it over and over it’s a wonderful thing like Gideon when God came to him he said “Well who am I, I can’t do this or that. God took a hope deferred man and transformed him into a leader and the rest is just history; he leads a whole nation into their freedom.
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Sid: My guest is Sarah O’Meara and she’s one of the wonderful testimonies in the book “Miracles Still Happen.” I’m speaking to her at Aspen, Colorado. And she went to a Kathryn Kuhlman service. Why? She was in the hospital dying? Why? Cancer had riddled her entire body. And she saw a commercial and she knew nothing about healing, nothing about Kathryn Kuhlman but something caused her to want to go there. But the doctor said “No.” They had been operating on her trying to do something about the cancer. And she had an operation that went from her ear lopes to her kneecaps and she could not get in she’s bleeding, she’s walking in her own blood. Finally a friend sees her and gives up their seats, they go and the seats are up on the top in the balcony and she gets up in the balcony. And then she is washed out totally and she sits down and all of a sudden, this had never happened to her before, her spirit leaves her body. And she can… could you see your body Sara?
Sara: Yes, I could.
Sid: What happened next?
Sara: As soon as Kathryn Kuhlman came out and I don’t know how long she’s been talking I realized that she was speaking and it seemed like my spirit came back or whatever in my body. And as it did there was a pink cloud that was like the consistency of cotton candy that floated from the left hand side of the Shrine Auditorium and completely engulfed me. And I could see that this pink cloud was all around me and that of course had never happened before and never has since. As this was happening Katherine said in the middle of her service “I must stop there is a magnificent healing going on up in the balcony of a young girl whose body was riddled with cancer.” You know how dramatic she was. And so I remember hearing that and having never been to a service before and what happened I said to God I said “Oh, could that be… could I be the one that she’s talking about?” And then all of a sudden it was like I had a hold of a an electrical current of some kind. My body shock and it was like a thousand needles going through my body and at the same time unbeknownst to me the entire row had been knocked down by the Spirit, and the Holy Spirit going through my body.
Sid: Now that’s normal Bible believing power. I pray in Yeshua’s Name that not only does that power return but I pray that everyone listening to us starts to becoming a demonstrator of the power of God. Go ahead but someone they just got healed their neck. So someone’s neck has just been healed if you move your head you’ll see the pain is gone. And another person’s back and spine has just been healed.
Sara: And also someone’s foot, someone’s left ankle. So then what happened as the pink cloud and the electricity went through my body. Kathryn said “I am sorry to interrupt but I cannot grieve the Holy Spirit,” she said that “This magnificent healing going on up in the balcony the young girl will know it because it’s like a 1000 needles going through her body at this moment.”
Sid: That’s you.
Sara: And that’s who it was and so I knew that at that point that was God healing me. And then she went on to say “The girl is sitting on the last balcony in the first row in a red dress.” Well I had on predominantly a red dress it was red, white and blue but it was predominantly red. And she said “God has healed you for a magnificent purpose and accept that healing and know that the glory of God is all over you.” Well the usher saw all the commotion because all the row had been knocked down and I was shaking from the power. And they said “Aren’t you the one that was healed?” And I said “I think so.” And the usher said “Well go down and give your testimony” and I was not very provocative at all and didn’t like to go and make a spectacle out of myself and so I said “Oh, I don’t know if about that.” And as I said that there was an audible voice that said to me “You mean I would do this for you and you would deny me?” Well it shocked me so that I jumped out of where I was sitting out of my chair and as I did it was like an anointing of oil from the top of my head to the bottom of my feet. And I realized that my energy had come back, the bleeding had stopped and I felt absolutely perfect. As I walked down the stairs of the auditorium to get to the bottom floor up to the stage I realized that I was just gliding that every bit of energy had come back in my body and I felt renewed and refreshed and fabulous.
Sid: What happened to the bleeding you were walking in your own blood?
Sara: It had stopped, the bleeding had stopped, the energy had come back and I knew that I was healed.
Sid: Okay, bottom line, you went to the doctors because the doctors gave you 3 months to live and didn’t want you to go anywhere except to your bed.
Sara: That’s right.
Sid: When you went to see the doctors I mean they must have been shocked that you were walking!
Sara: When I went back to the doctor on Monday the following day that had already been set up for me to go before he saw his other patients, he came flying out of the room, the examining room, and said to my friend Yvonne “You have the kookiest friend that I’ve ever seen, her stitches have healed up entirely over her skin. And and over not stitches, the clamps, the skin had healed up over the clamp. And so…
Sid: Does that mean the clamps were inside of you?
Sara: They were and they had to go inside to take the clamps out, they had not dissolved but the skin healed up over them. And so and then he took an X-ray and of course I was cancer free and when you asked, what did the doctors think? I think that that doctor was so flabbergasted that he did not know what to think.
Sid: I have on the telephone Therese Marszalek whose the co-author of the book “Miracles Still Happen.” And this is 66 miracles from everyday people. Therese tell me what is the real motivation of your heart for this book.
Therese: You know Sid these stories are incredible in this book, they tell such supernatural wonders going on around the globe. But and although it’s been a great honor to share these stories with the world it’s just a piece of the picture because the whole purpose and the grand finale of this book is to lead the reader to the God of miracles through a relationship with Jesus Christ. Because that is really the true miracle of all….
Sid: And of course you do have the prayer in the back to come to have intimacy with God.
Therese: Absolutely.
Sid: When you did this book did you feel a supernatural direction directing when you did this?
Therese: Well what I can tell you at the very beginning of the project and it even started before that I had been spending a great deal of time in prayer, God is calling me to a deep place of intimacy. He impressed Psalm 135 verse 6, I’m sorry 145 verse 6. And it says “They will follow the power of your awesome works and I will proclaim your great deeds.” And I took that scripture as a personal directive from the Lord to go out and proclaim the great deeds that He is doing and I take great pleasure in doing so in every opportunity that I can.
Sid: Very briefly, what’s your favorite testimony in the book “Miracles Still Happen?”
Sara: You know and I would have to say and you’re asking me on the spot and I would have to say the story of Robert Yates who was a serial killer on death row right now. And it’s a very unique story but it really demonstrates the transforming power of the love of God and how He can take somebody as monstrance as he once was and totally transformed his life. The man is now leading many people to Christ within the prison system.
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Sid: My guest by way of radio is Dr. Paul Cox, I’m speaking to him at his office in Apple Valley, California. His ministry is Asland’s Place in which he helps Christian leaders in the area of developing discernment and breaking generational curses. Discernment is a gift of the Spirit that can be transferred and it can be developed. Paul how did you find out that this could be transferred?
Dr. Paul L. Cox: Well we noticed that as I was praying for people that someone started discerning also. And one day I was ministering with some therapists and a lady who was with us was very prophetic and the thought went through my mind “Lord, I can’t do this by myself there’s just too many people.” And she turned and looked at me even though I had not said anything out loud and she said to me “The Lord says to you that you can pass this on.” And so it’s a great joy that we have to see the Lord multiplying discernment throughout the world.
Sid: Let’s go back to how this started you were originally a nice American Baptist Pastor minding your own business and things started changing.
Dr. Paul L. Cox: Yes.
Sid: You had problems, or you did some research I believe it was on deliverance tell me about how you got into this.
Dr. Paul L. Cox: Well the summer of 1989 people started coming to me as I pastored a medium size American Baptist Church in southern California. And they said to me “We’re seeing demons, we’re hearing demons. And I thought “Well the Bible talks about demons and spiritual warfare and maybe I should do some studying. So I started doing some research on that summer and then a friend of mine gave me a book by John White called “When the Spirit Comes in Power.” And after reading that book I prayed a simple prayer to the Lord. And I said “Lord you can do with me whatever you want.” And so after…
Sid: Now that’s as simple and basic as you can get.
Dr. Paul L. Cox: Yes, but it was life changing. In September I started a series of spiritual warfare which really began with us calling the church to 3 days of waiting on the Lord to do whatever He wanted to do. So the church in sense invited the Lord to come in power. I was 3 weeks into the sermon series and on a Thursday night a woman, whose a member of our church called me and said “What’s you’re talking about is my problem.” And since it was in the evening already and everything I’ve read about deliverance I knew that it would be 3 or 4 hours of prayer so we scheduled to pray for her on September the 7th, excuse me October the 7, 1989 at 1:00 on a Saturday. And she came in and I had all of my prayers typed up and I read the prayers, nothing happened and for about 20 minutes I did this and all of a sudden she started manifesting and a demon spoke through her.
Sid: Now when you say manifesting please describe.
Dr. Paul L. Cox: She started shaking, her body started shaking and she got a funny look on her face and then she told me first of all that “The voices in her head were repeating everything that I was saying.” And then after that a demon spoke through her mouth.
Sid: And how do you know it was a demon?
Dr. Paul L. Cox: It was very clear by the change in her facial expressions and her voice actually changed. She then immediately had a memory of being abused as a child, I should add that she’d been in counseling for 2 years. At this point she was not able to come to church or read a Bible or pray. And as the Lord dealt with that demon and freed her, another one manifested the Lord freed her from that one and she walked out of the office a different person.
Sid: Now, during this whole thing that occurred it must have been very strange and almost scary for you, were you afraid?
Dr. Paul L. Cox: I was not afraid and yes, it was incredibly strange. I had not experienced anything like this before. I had not seen anybody have a memory like this. The Lord obviously did it in His power and caused her to remember some things that were key. I remember going home and telling my wife that we made contact.
Sid: I mean something happened when she was a young child that resulted in the problems she had at that point.
Dr. Paul L. Cox: Exactly, she was 2 years of age and had been molested by a relative.
Sid: And there was no way that she would remember something like that.
Dr. Paul L. Cox: She had not remembered it in 2 years of counseling.
Sid: Hmm, well that would be really a neat gift if that would work more than once, has it?
Dr. Paul L. Cox: Yes, it was like someone sent a memo out “If you want prayer come to our church” and people started calling and coming. What was very interesting we had a counseling center at the church. So therapists who were working with many people I the church started bringing these clients for prayer. And we found that people that had wrestled with things for years and everything that we knew how to do was not working. But when the power of God came they were being set free and lives were being changed. And of course that word was spread and more people would come.
Sid: Now tell me about lady I guess shortly thereafter that had multiple personalities that you prayed for.
Dr. Paul L. Cox: Yes sometime after we had begun praying deliverance the Lord started bringing people who had what was then called multiple personality disorder. It’s now called disassociate identity disorder. And people… therapist would bring clients and then we’d pray for them. And at one point the Lord said to me through the woman said “Paul, do you want to see her totally healed?” And my respond was “Yes Lord.” And we’d been talking to an altar and immediately she came back to the host personality and she started repeating all of the prayers I had written down that were renunciation prayers and I had not said anything to her about these prayers and I was very shocked. That was probably the first time I felt discernment on my head. I felt electricity hit my head and run over my body.
Sid: But first of all what do you mean by renunciation prayer.
Dr. Paul L. Cox: Cancellation prayers renouncing the sins of the ancestors and renouncing different things that happened in the person’s life. In Leviticus 26:40 the “Lord says if you will repent for your sins and the sins of your fathers…” Then He goes on and says what He will do.
Sid: You know most people think in terms of repenting for their own sins but not repenting for the sins of their fathers. How important is that?
Dr. Paul L. Cox: Well I think that it’s very important. Daniel did this he repented for the sins of the nation Israel. Nehemiah did this, in Leviticus we’re told to do this. So I think there is a great deal of Biblical support for repenting for ancestral sins.
Sid: I want to go back to that later on in the week but right now what did you mean when you said you felt electricity over your head or hit your head, what did you mean?
Dr. Paul L. Cox: Being on staff as an American Baptist Pastor I did not see here or feel anything spiritually. I was a pastor who preached through books of the Bible, I was very…
Sid: To be quite candid with you most Christians and Charismatics churches if they were honest would say the same thing. But go ahead.
Dr. Paul L. Cox: Yes. And as the Lord was working power in this woman’s life I felt this electricity come over me and not only did I but everybody in the room did, there was several in the room. I did not know what this was. The next day my secretary came and said “You need to go back in that room.” So I went back into the room and I found what I now know is anointing, I didn’t know it then. That same electricity was there and then I went to the sanctuary and the room right next the sanctuary I could feel what appeared to be a river of power flowing out of that room across the pulpit area.
Sid: Now when you say a river of power I can visualize this but can you be a little more graphic? I mean you… did it really feel like water?
Dr. Paul L. Cox: Ah, I did not know that it was the river of God then but yes it felt like water. And we would… I called my wife and had her come down to the church, we brought several people in. We could actually walk into it and walk out of it and again I did not understand what the Lord was doing then, but…
Sid: In other words the river was like the river was in one place of the church and you could either walk in it or walk to another section of the church and you’d be walking out of it?
Dr. Paul L. Cox: Exactly.
Sid: That sounds amazing. (Laughing) it sounds wonderful too.
Dr. Paul L. Cox: For an American Baptist it was very amazing.
Sid: Listen for a 21st century Charismatic like me it sounds amazing too! (Laughing) Anyway so what was this river?
Dr. Paul L. Cox: I believe that God had unplugged a spring of His power. Like a spring of living water filling that room and it was filling across the pulpit area.
Sid: Now you had another experience that really is and this one’s even stronger. Some of them thought the first one was too strong, listen to this next one in October 1991. I understand someone just like in a wrestling match slammed you into the wall.
Dr. Paul L. Cox: Yes.
Sid: What happened?
Dr. Paul L. Cox: We were with good friends of ours, a good friend of ours in the San Diego area who is also an American Baptist Pastor. And we had been at his house several days each week because I was an Interim Pastor down there. And this October date I had been on the phone with a friend and I started feeling this same electricity come over me. Instead this time it did not stop it kept on increasing. So I excused myself for a phone call and I was able to walk about 5 to 10 feet. And literally the power of God hit me and I fell to the floor with my back against the wall in the hallway and it was like rivers of power of God started flowing over me probably for about 1½ or 2 hours. It was so powerful I could not move or get up. And the river first of all flowed from the back over me and then shifted and flowed from the front. And I noticed that after that at any time I start worshiping I felt this same anointing fall all over me.
Sid: I can tell you I can feel a river of God’s Spirit just as we’re talking right now.
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SID: Well Trisha, this marriage wasn’t made in Heaven, but it turned into a marriage made in Heaven. Give us some keys on, there are people hurting that are watching us right now. Give us a few keys.
TRISHA: Well I think for Jack and I where it began was when Jack began to humble himself and take ownership for his behavior. You know, it took the responsibility and it changed the environment of our home. And as we watched Jack live this life, you see, it wasn’t just some teaching that he, you know, he came home with. He began to live a life as a loving father. You know, we didn’t have to perform. We didn’t to have feel accepted. We didn’t have to do anything to measure up for this place. And so Jack brought that freedom home and he brought it home. And then after he repented to me, he individually—and now this is after also, you know, he had done this once before—and he individually began to live a life of relationship with each child. You know, each child is different. He began to love each child unconditionally. He began to bless each child, to speak life over each child.
SID: What did you see with you?
TRISHA: With me?
SID: Yeah. What was he doing with you?
TRISHA: Again, before, I was always kind of more like the slave girl or whatever. Everything in my life was promote Jack, promote Jack. And what he did differently, he came home and he began to see me as important. My desires, my needs, what is it that makes you happy, Trisha? Want can we do today? How can we live life to where we’re a team instead of I’m the headship, I’m the ruler, you know, and you have very little value unless I need you for something.
SID: Many if not all of us have been wounded probably from childhood, and many of us have blocked those wounds out, and a result, we can’t even deal with them. How, what hope is there for us?
TRISHA: Well I think as you position yourself for a supernatural revelation from Father God, because that is supernatural. You know, I think healing comes in two ways. First, we’ve got to be willing to identify the woundedness. We’ve got to be willing to say, Father God, I see this behavior in my life and realize my behavior wounds other people, and I really want to change, but I need help. And then I feel like Father God begins to put people in your life that will help you. But you know, nothing happens without a supernatural breaking forth of God’s presence into the situation. If God doesn’t come into the situation with help, we are doomed. And so it’s twofold. First, recognizing that you need help and being willing. Jack had a humility about him that I had never seen before. He was willing, you know, again, to take responsibility for how he had hurt and wounded the people in his life.
SID: You know, you became from a wilted flower, did you ever in your wildest imagination think you would be seated right there where Jack was, talking to people throughout the world, ever, ever?
TRISHA: That was not something that I dreamed about. No. I always wanted to be Mrs. [unintelligible] Frost IV and the mother of his children, and that was enough for me. But you know what, Jack, he left us just an amazing foundation. His healing not only has healed the hearts of this family, but it has healed the world. We still have thousands of people that come to us on a regular basis to receive a revelation of the Father’s love. Well what is that? I want to experience the same healing that healed your family. How do I get there? And so I get invited to conferences. I go all over the world sharing just my experiences.
SID: But you know what? What you have just shared, I believe if you will take that to heart and with God’s help, it is the beginning. Is it too late for anyone, Trisha
TRISHA: Well I don’t think so. You know, this happened for us when we were in our 40s, you know. We have people come to us all the time. We have a testimony of one young man that was in his 50s. He thought there was no hope. He was in and out of mental hospitals all of his life, and his parents at 70 years old, got a hold of this revelation of “How do you bring healing into your relationship? How do you heal the heart to the very ones you’ve wounded.” And at 70 years old, his parents took ownership of their 50-year-old son of how they had wounded him, how they had been, abandoned him, all the things they had done to him. And it not only brought healing into his life, he has never been in a mental hospital since then. You know, he’s come alive. He’s living his destiny. He’s living his purpose, and it all was because a 70-year-old mom and dad decided, I’m going to change how I think
SID: And it all started with Jack Frost having the Father’s blessing. Can I pray that blessing over you? Maybe your father never prayed that blessing over you. I pray in the Messiah of Israel’s name, Yeshua, Jesus, the Anointed One, that you would experience the love of God. You would experience the presence of the comforter, the Holy Spirit. That you would be blessed in your work, blessed in your family, blessed in your health, blessed in your finances, blessed in supernatural wisdom and dreams, and imaginations. That you would be able to be so complete in Messiah, that you would be helping other people, that you would not be the walking wounded anymore. You would be walking as a son of a Father God that wants to just shower you with His love. And out of that abundance, you’re not sucking people’s love. You are giving love. That you walk in humility and you walk in gifting from the most High God. In Jesus’ name I pray this is your moment. Be free in Jesus’ name.
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Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Heidi Baker and Heidi and her husband Rolland have such an exciting ministry in Mozambique, Africa. And the ministry has seen 17 people raised from the dead. They have started over 5000 churches; in fact they don’t even know how many churches because they’re multiplying so rapidly. They feed daily some 2000 orphans and I heard a teaching by Heidi on the Sermon on the Mount and it’s never been so real as the teaching she gave. So Heidi, if you would just continue please.
Heidi: Oh, bless your heart. Well the poor have taught us so much; they’ve taught us so much about Jesus and His kingdom, about meekness and hunger. And we read when we look at Matthew 5:6 about hunger and thirst, Isaiah 55 “Hunger and thirst.” Why is it that the hungry and thirsty are filled? And why is it that the poor seem to run to Jesus and there’s this desperation in their heart. Like in the dump we’ve never seen a person ever say no to salvation; we’ve never said when we found somebody when we say “Do you need the Lord? Do you need to know Jesus? Do you need to meet the Father?” Never has one person said “No, I’m full, I’m not hungry, I don’t care.” They run to Him because they’re scavenging in the garbage and when you offer them life, and you offer them the beauty of who He is they run and their filled. And that’s a spiritual principal in that “Those that are hungry and thirsty for Him they’ll be filled.” Those that…it says “Blessed are the merciful for they shall be shown mercy.” I look at these people, oh I love this story. This little girl named Helena she had her leg burned off in a fire in a Kanisu hut, it’s like a straw hut in Africa. Because her leg was burned off her grandmother said “We cannot use her, we don’t want to feed her she’s got one leg.” So she told her brothers “Go out there and kill her.”
Sid: Hm.
Heidi: So they took these big rocks and they threw them at her head and they thought that Helena was dead, because they were ordered by grandmother to kill this girl with one leg burned up in a fire. A man walked by the field, it’s like a good Samaritan story, he just walked by this field and saw this girl who was motionless and bleeding there in the field, but he picked her up with her one leg and he took her to the hospital and he dropped her off there. Months and months later this little girl was discharged but she was like 11, 12 years old. And she had nowhere to go, she couldn’t go home they tried to kill her, what was she to do. So she goes to the street like 100’s of other kids that we pick up. And she goes to the street and she sells her body, her one legged body so that she has something to eat. And I found this little girl, I’ll never forget that night. You know the police were shooting and they shot another street child and I was holding him bleeding in my arms. Here comes Helena one legged prostitute, 12 years old. And I looked her in the eyes and I just see the beauty of Jesus. I mean I see Him because “Whatever you do for the least of these you do to Me,” and I looked and I saw Him looking back at me. And I said “Helena your loved, your beautiful and Jesus loves you and you’re so precious and so beautiful.” And I said “Come home and live with me, I always have enough room, you’re always welcome come.” And she said “Jesus loves me, He forgave me?” Oh, she was so touched, she started crying. She met Him and she said “I have to go tell my brothers, I have to go tell my family, I have to go tell them that Jesus loves them too.”
Sid: Wait, her brother are the ones that were stoning her to death.”
Heidi: (Laughing) “Blessed are the merciful for they shall be shown mercy.” She was so full of mercy, she showed me what mercy is. She showed me what love is, she taught me more her first day of salvation than many, many famous preachers every taught it was beautiful. And she now lives with her family again and she’s led them all to the Lord. It’s so precious she’s a… oh, I got to marry her. She’s been now 9 years, she lived with us for about 4 years. I just did her wedding a couple of months ago. And it was the most glorious occasion; there she was in a white dress and her family was there. And she was radiating with the love of God like nothing I’d ever seen.
Sid: Heidi, what is it like to pull a street kid out of that environment, first of all what is their environment really like? Describe to me what the average street kid in the dump what his life or her life is.
Heidi: Well the kids on the street they just live in cardboard boxes and they live under little broken down buildings, under doorways. And they get beaten up by the police, they get shot at sometimes.
Sid: Why would the police beat them up?
Heidi: They beat them up because they don’t want them living in the city, they’d like to clean up the city. And so thy beat them up and also they shot at them when the steal things. These kids aren’t nice, we’re not saying that they’re nice little sweet angels, they rob and steal and rape and pillage. But it’s just that Jesus makes the difference when they meet Him they change. But their life is hell, there life is hell, they steal to survive, they sell their bodies little 10 year old girls selling their bodies, little boys selling their bodies for a Coke-Cola, dying of AIDS, malaria, disease, it’s just hellish. And Jesus took us to Mozambique, He didn’t say “Start with the big pastor people you know. Bring in a revival in the university.” He said, “Sit with the poor.”
Sid: Wait a second, you mean He did tell you to go to Mozambique and get your pictures plastered all over the place. And rent a tent and have guaranteed a 100,000 people so that you could come back to the states and say “I reached 100,000 people.”
Heidi: (Laughing)
Sid: You mean that’s not His style with you.
Heidi: No not with us, no. (Laughing)
Sid: (Laughing)
Heidi: I’m not really a poster child. He said, “Sit on the street corner and love the one in front of you.” That’s what He said “Sit on the street corner and love the one in front of you and don’t just love them with words, take them home, take them all home.” He said “I died that there would always be enough.”
Sid: Now you said something to me that bothered me a little bit, me now. And that is you put your hands on these children with lice and worms and who knows what, doesn’t this bother you?
Heidi: No, I think you know Jesus talks about fellowshipping in His suffering, if you don’t touch people. And either we say “Oh, you’re always healed of everything.” No, we get lice and we get scabies and we get sick. We see huge miracles but we also get sick, we get food poisoning, we get all kinds of stuff as we touch the poor. I lay my hands on people with leprosy, I don’t get leprosy that’s a mercy of God, but you know it’s about toughing, it’s about loving, it’s about caring. It’s not about removing yourself and having a nice little sanitized church service. It’s about living in the dirt with the broken and bringing the pure heart of Jesus to the dying.
Sid: Heidi, tell me about one of these, just pick one of them, one of these street kids that got caught up in the heavenlies and said things that they had no way of even knowing.
Heidi: Oh, I love telling about that. There’s this little guy whose with us now in the north, his name’s Arsenial. He’s a half cast child which is especially hard and I found him scavenging in the garbage dump. I mean imagine scavenging in the garbage dump of some of the poorest of the whole world. It’s not like scavenging in Laguna Beach garbage. You’re finding the worst of the worst and here’s this little kid he doesn’t know how old he is. He has the huge bloated belly and he’s just covered in every kind of disease and sore. And we take him home and we just love on him and one day we are there in the dirt, we don’t even have a cement floor at this time. And we are in a tent by the way, but a tent in the dirt with lots of orphans. So we’re there and he’s crying and he’s just crying and sobbing in the dirt. And I said “What’s going on Arsenial? What’s going on?” I mean I let him there for a couple of hours crying and he couldn’t talk. He couldn’t walk, he couldn’t talk, and so we after about 3 hours we just carry him back to the dorm. And give him a hug and put him to bed. The next day he comes running to me just running, and this little boy looks like the light of the world, I mean the light coming off his face was incredible, I mean he was beaming. His eyes were flickering and he was just so happy. And I said “Arsenial, Arsenial what happened to you?” He said “I saw Jesus!” “Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.” He said “I saw Him!” And I said “What did He look like?” He said “He’s beautiful, He’s beautiful.” I said “What did He say and why were you crying?” He said “Well I was crying, and I was crying for hours and hours and I was crying for all of the sins of all the people in Mozambique.” And he said, this little boy doesn’t know how old he is but he at the time was maybe 8, maybe 8 years old. And he is crying for 3 hours over the sins of the people of Mozambique. And Jesus appears to him and Jesus appears to him and He said “I will forgive all who come to me.” That’s what Jesus told this little boy.
Sid: By curiosity, what’s going on with this little boy today?
Heidi: Now we have… Rolland and I live part of the time in the south and part in the north. And we moved him to the north in Pamba and he’s living with us, with our little group there and he is sharing the gospel. He’s sings on outreach, we go into the bush bush, we’re…
Sid: Oh we’re out of time.
Tags: its supernatural, Sid Roth