Sid: You see our Messiah Jesus came to set the captives free and I see too many people that love God with all of their heart but are still prisoners in one or more areas of their life. I mean there are too many people that call themselves Bible believers that are sick. Now I have on the telephone Henry Wright Pastor of Pleasant Valley Church in Thomaston, Georgia. Henry and I are talking about really the foundational subject he teaches on and it’s called “Separation.” And one of the things you hit what a lot of people don’t even want to talk about. There are a lot of people that want to talk about psychology but they don’t even want to talk about deliverance. And there are people that believe in deliverance but they say that’s only for non-Christians, Christians cannot have a demon. Henry, please clarify this area for us.
Henry: Oh boy, here comes the big, the big trouble maker question. The question is not “Can a Christian have an evil spirit.” The question correctly asked is “Does an evil spirit have a Christian?” The issue is this, “Can a Christian be accessed by another kingdom at the spirit level?” There are those that teach no, that once you’re born again that your spirit man is immune. They say that good and evil cannot coexist at the same place at the same time.
Sid: But that’s a very comforting thought by the way.
Henry: Well it’s comforting but if evil and good cannot exist at the same place at the same time how can we be in this world? I mean come on, that’s an old ping pong game. I’ll give you the Apostle Paul, the Apostle Paul says it very clearly. He says first of all in 2nd Corinthians chapter 7 verse 1 “He says having therefore these promises dearly beloved” that obviously addressed to believers. “Let us cleans ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and the spirit.” Now we get into some thought process. What of the flesh that needs to be cleansed. And if this is a believer then why does their spirit man need to be cleansed also? And we get over into 1st Thessalonians 5:23 says “May the God of peace sanctify you wholly.” I ask Christians all the time without them reading it. And they say “That’s easy God needs to sanctify us to make us holy.” And that’s not how it reads, “May the God of peace sanctify you.” Which means make you h-o-l-y so that you can be made whole and that you be preserved blameless in spirit, soul, and body until the coming of the Lord Jesus.” Well the Lord Jesus has not come yet, and each generation that has lived on this planet since this was written almost 2000 years ago. So see the scriptures are for our instruction then what Paul is saying until the Lord comes you have 3 areas in your life that you need to be sanctified as a believer. If it were not for the cross it would not be possible, if it not for what Jesus did in His obedience it would not be possible. What the Christians Church is missing is that when you become born again is a wonderful journey into a life of being changed. When you became born again you are still partially goofy. “Oh, I’m a new creation.” Yes, you’re a new creation but you haven’t grown up into who you’re supposed to be. Because the Bible says “From glory to glory we are being changed into His image. So if we get into aspects of our life that are ungodly such as guilt, rage, anger, we can go down a long list then that’s not of God. “Well, where did it come from, and what do you do with it?” The question and my position is this the sanctification of a believer as a work of the Holy Spirit involved in the complete triuness of our existence. That brings us to another thought, spirit is spirit flesh is flesh. Now God is a spirit and that kingdom ruled by Satan found in Ephesians chapter 6 that is a spirit kingdom, disembodied spirit kingdom by its class and by its type of fallen nature. Now when God speaks to us God the Holy Spirit represent the Father and the word who’s the Son does not bear witness from within us or does He materialize in front of us and speak to us by the 5 physical senses. No, God speaks to us at the spirit level because he is a spirit. God does not speak to your soul because the soul is the bridge between the spirit and the physical world. The only way that God could speak to you is that He could materialize and that you could comprehend Him through your 5 physical senses. Or He would speak to you at the spirit level and that pathway between the spirit and the soul you would have understanding at that level. Well that other kingdom that is there, that other kingdom that is there is a kingdom that accesses us at the same level which is spirit. There are those that teach that that kingdom accesses us at our soul level. Well if it accesses you at your soul level and it is spirit how can it do that? Well, it can materialize, a spirit can materialize and speak to you through your 5 physical senses. Wait a minute, fear, hatred, bitterness, lust does not materialize to speak to you through your 5 physical senses because it’s disembodied it has been cast out of the physical world, judged in that judgment and is now disembodied as a spiritual reality. The only way that it can access you and speak to you at the level that it is which is spirit. And so we just kind… and I’ll tell you what the big problem is Sid is that most Christians are told that they’re immune to the devil except through oppression and depression. Secondly they’re told that they’re protected by the blood. I’ll tell you what the blood is, the blood is for forgiveness of sin, “HELLO!” Forgiveness of sin. So if we continue in our sins as a believer then does the blood cover us? No you see we have to understand and continue to teach repentance by believers. Believers that participate with sin need to repent. Now the issue is not can a Christian have a devil; the true question that Paul raised in Romans chapter 6 is “Are you serving sin? Are you serving sin?” And if we’re serving fear which produces high blood pressure then we’re servant of sin and that disease is a byproduct of that servitude. God did not call us to have fellowship with devils. God did not call us to have fellowship with fear. He came to deliver us from the fears that plague us that we may be free.
Sid: How does things like inherited curses operate?
Henry: Well here we come again with the reality of inherited curses and… that’s misunderstood, I mean I’ve had so much difficulty with pastors in America who say “I don’t believe inherited curses.” Well what do you think that disease is? If you go to Deuteronomy chapter 28 not to have a disease a blessing and to have a disease is a curse. It’s very clear, so do Christians have disease? Yes, Christians have a disease? Yes, is that disease a blessing or a curse? Well, if you say that your disease is a blessing you’re in variance in what the word of God teaches in Deuteronomy chapter 28. Now let’s talk about certain diseases, there are over 600 major diseases are genetically inherited. That means there is something flowing down through the family tree that produces disease out of genetics. Now we understand also there’s a transference of evil in generations. And Christians are not immune. How many of us have children as believers that have… I mean we’ve had children after we became born again. And those children ended up doing something very evil. How did that… children what is being transferred. Well disease is transferred and so is what is called iniquity. Now iniquity is totally misunderstood by most believers. We’ve made sin, sins iniquities, transgressions a nebulous statement as if they were one thing. Well, Kind David said, “In sin my mother did conceive me.” But he said “I was shapened and formed in iniquity. Well, right here in Psalm 51 we have a separation of thought sin is participating with sin by fallen nature when I do that that makes me a sinful being without a Christian right and I need to repent because I have participated with sin and I have allowed it to manifest on this planet through my will and giving myself over to it. However iniquity is the transference of the Adamic nature which is the old man, the flesh the carnal nature. And that brings us up into a whole new conversation as to what that is.
Sid: And that Mishpochah is why you need his full teaching on separation. But let’s go back to… I know we’re jumping around but let’s go back to the Garden of Eden what was that tree of the knowledge of good and evil exactly?
Henry: That was the first Bible of the history of mankind, it was one verse long. Boy, what would we do if we only had one verse to memorize as a believer? God set a tree in the Garden which is of the knowledge of good and evil. Adam and Eve didn’t have any idea of what evil was. In fact, Adam was sinless at that stage and then the dispensation of innocence. They were sinless. In fact Adam in Luke chapter 3 of the genealogy of marriage to her father Eli all the way back to Adam was called the son of God. But there was a judgment that preceded the creation of Adam and Eve in which Lucifer was judged and became Satan. Jesus said “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.” And we’re not sure where all of that judgment except that entire kingdom ruled by Satan was in the garden invisibly entrenched in the garden but Adam and Eve could not see, could not see that invisible kingdom; just like you and I cannot see that invisible kingdom with our physical eyes because it is a spirit world. And actually I’ll tell you how this whole thing is mankind really has been on probation since Adam and Eve. Because don’t forget if we had an archangel names Lucifer that rebelled against God, and he was a created being, any created being including you and I could rebel against God And we know that Jesus was the lamb slain before the foundation of the world and God made a provision…
Sid: Henry I’m sorry we’ll have to pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.
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Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Peggy Joyce Ruth I’m speaking to her at her home in Brownwood, Texas. Peggy Joyce has spent the last 25 years studying Psalm 91 and you’d think, how can you spend 25 years studying one Psalm? Peggy Joyce how could you spend 25 years, why would you invest 25 years of your life studying one Psalm?
Peggy Joyce: Well I’ll tell you what it’s been the most exciting 25 years of my life. 25 years ago I honestly didn’t think that I was going to live to be much older because I was in so much fear. And I look back now and I think “Oh God I had no idea that life could be so exciting and so wonderful.” And what’s been exciting for me is not only to this work and appropriating for my family and for me but to be able to teach it and see other people get set free. Get that dream when God supernaturally gave this to me I was out in an open field asking that question when He gave me the answer…
Sid: For those that are listening for the first time would you explain the question and the answer.
Peggy Joyce: Yes, I had asked the Lord “Is there any way to escape all the evil things that are coming on the earth or do we have to just take our chances along with the unsaved world?” And I laid back across the bed and had a dream and in the dream I was out in an open field and God supernaturally gave me quotations out of Psalm 91. Now I didn’t know the Bible, I didn’t know it was Psalm 91, I didn’t even know that it was a scripture in the Bible. But He told me “In your day of trouble call upon Me and I’ll answer.” Well I was out in this open field and when I heard that something just leaped in my heart and I knew that God had supernaturally given me something. I didn’t know what it was or where it was found, I didn’t know that it was a scripture but knew that I was excited because I knew that I had the answer. And suddenly in the field there were 100’s and 100’s of people that just started appearing in the field with me and we were all thanking and rejoicing and telling God how much we appreciated the answer He had just given us. And recently when I started having so many people call and tell me what this had meant to them the Lord reminded me of that dream. And He said “Those people that kept appearing in the dream those are the people who have through the books or through the teachings have learned the answer to that question. They’ve gotten their answer to “Can a person be protected?” So they were added a few people at a time until the field was full of people rejoicing and praising God. And so it’s been so exciting to me to realize this has not been just 25 years of study for me but it’s been 25 years of study for the body of Christ.
Sid: You know with the War in Iraq with everyone know someone that is out there fighting with the various terrorist alerts that we have going on all of the time. What advice would you give us from Psalm 91 about the war in Iraq? There’s children they’ve really concerned about this too.
Peggy Joyce: Of course they are and I have a close friend Chrystal, her son’s name is Jeffrey and we’ve known him since he was just little. And he’s probably about 19 and he was one of the first ones sent into Iraq and I mean she had heard my tape and had read the book and I mean she was standing every day on that Psalm. Of course Jeffrey took a book with him and it all marked up. His Psalm 91in his Bible all marked and every day she quoted that over him and said it out loud. And one day she got a letter from the United States government, I have a copy of the letter that she got telling her “That they were very sorry to tell her that her son had been killed in action.” And when she got that letter she just stood there stunned and for a little while she couldn’t even think what to do and all of a sudden this rose up on the inside of her and she said for 2 hours she walked the floor using, especially verse 10 “That no evil would befallen, nor any plaque, or calamity come near her household.” And she said after about 2 hours of quoting and walking standing, she said she just started praising God for her son’s safety. And she said she felt like the Lord told her to call the Senators office. And so she did she called the Senators office and she said “I think you’ve made a mistake, I know my son’s alive.” Well they thought she had talked to him and so but they didn’t realize that she was just telling them that because she had chosen to believe God’s word.
Sid: By faith she was speaking.
Peggy Joyce: Yes, and so they got all excited and not knowing what to tell her after the letter. And so we’ll call you back let us do some checking. And so 2 more hours went by and she said the devil really tried to get to her that second 2 hours, but anyway she was determined that she wasn’t going to turn it loose. And finally the phone call came and they started apologizing and just saying “We cannot believe that we made such a terrible mistake.” They found out that her son was indeed alive and well. And I want people to understand that when you trust God and refuse to let those fear thought change your mind you know you’re going to see God do miracles for you and your family. And to me that’s just one of the most miraculous stories and testimonies that I’ve heard in a long time.
Sid: And you know I’ve been saying this all week Peggy Joyce but I can see throughout the world literally families taking this book, although it says it for children it’s really for everyone.
Peggy Joyce: Yes.
Sid: I mean it can be read for a 4 year old, 9 year old or older could read it for themselves, but I want to see families come together. I mean we used this word on our broadcast Mishpochah it’s a word that God gave me so many years ago because we’re the Mishpochah of God but there are physical families and I can see mother’s and father’s and children discussing this rather than discussing what color is the terror alert. This literally will be a generation raised up of young people that will do such great exploits and I believe that your book is going to be part of that equation.
Peggy Joyce: I believe so too, I believe the Lord’s shown me that and I think that that’s being proved by so many people you know just being blessed by it.
Sid: You talk about arrows well you don’t Psalm 91 verse 5 says “You will not be afraid of the arrow during the day.” What is an arrow?
Peggy Joyce: Okay, those are the assignments of the enemy. We’re going to have arrows that come against us. You know the fire that we talked about several days ago that was an arrow that came against us but He says that if we’ll trust Him that it’ll not put us under, it will not be able to wound us.
Sid: It’s easy to trust God when everything’s going good, but how do you trust God when all of the sudden there’s a fire in your attic?
Peggy Joyce: Exactly, and you know when that happened I mean the thoughts that went through my mind were “It didn’t work.” I mean everybody’s going to have those thoughts and for a split second we have to make our decision. It’s like when Crystal got that letter saying that her son had been killed in Iraq, you know there was definitely in that period of time where she had to make a decision “Am I going to believe God or am I going to believe what I’m hearing or what I’m seeing.” And it’s really easy to slip away from it at that point and that’s why it has to be done in the Spirit. That’s why it has to come to a place where we know that we know that we know.
Sid: Well you know the Psalm 91 book of yours will force people to get it into their spirit if they just go through the whole book.
Peggy Joyce: Exactly, I’ve had so many say that they keep it by their bed stand and they just read a chapter every night just to keep themselves reminded you know. The Lord said “Put me in remembrance of My word.” And this is one way of putting, it’s not that God needs to remember His word but as we remind Him what it does it reminds us and that’s so important to keep that flowing coming. There’s not a day that goes by that I don’t go out and walk and thank the Lord. The way I do Psalm 91 now I don’t just confess it, I just thank God, “Lord I thank You that I dwell in You shelter, I thank You that I can say that You’re my God…”
Sid: But you couldn’t do that until you got it deep in your spirit.
Peggy Joyce: That’s true.
Sid: Oh, you could do it but it wouldn’t help you a whole right.
Peggy Joyce: That’s right and now it’s so exciting to be able to say “I thank you that it’s Your faithfulness, it’s not just my faithfulness and I don’t have to be afraid of the things that comes by man or these arrows that come from the enemy or the pestilence or the destruction. It doesn’t matter Lord that I may be seeing thousands fall at my side you said that it won’t approach me, it won’t come near me and it won’t come near my household.” And that there’s just…
Sid: Now many people have prophesied that we will be fighting at some point in the United States of America for an invasion. If God forbid something like that were to happen and you wake up one morning and there’s fighting going on your backyard what would you do Peggy?
Peggy Joyce: Well that can be on a big basis like fighting in our backyard or it can be say a burglar breaking in.
Sid: Yes.
Peggy Joyce: We have a good friend Julie and I tell about this in the book that she had a man break into her apartment and for 45 minutes she was quoting Psalm 91 and you know basically doing spiritual warfare and that’s what it talks about there in verse 13 that’s what verse 13’s all about. And she kept saying “You cannot touch me, you cannot hurt me because I have the blood of Jesus over me and she said “After 45 minutes she was able to get out the door.” And when they caught him later they found out that she was the only person that he had not been able to assault. And he had assaulted numerous young women she was the only one that he had not been able to hurt or harm in anyway. And so it’s the same way whether it be in fact one of the illustration in the book shows an illustration of her with the man when he come in the house against her. But whether it be fighting in our backyard or whether it be an enemy that’s broken in her house it’s the same thing it’s the enemy working through those people and we’ve got to take authority, use our authority in the name of Jesus. And that’s a part of what Psalm 91 is that we’ll be able to tread upon the lion and cobra, the young lion and the serpent. Those are different… you know that’s just an analogy talking about the enemy the different ways which the enemy comes.
Sid: Okay Mishpochah consider yourself challenged do you know a young person that’s concerned that has fears? Do you know an older person that’s concerned that has fears be it sickness or be it terrorism.
Sid: My guest Lindell Cooley, Lindell was the Worship Leader for what many call the greatest revival of the 20th century the Pensacola Revival in the Brownsville Church. Lindell before we did this interview I called my friend Pastor John Kilpatrick and I said “John tell me something that you think is one of the most amazing things about Lindell Cooley that he might not even bring up.” And John said to me “Ask him about how I hired him.” Well you get a call from John Kilpatrick and he’s not aware at the time that you’re very cold towards the things of God, towards the supernatural, towards speaking in tongues. You got intellectual, you got into studying psychology, you had a lot of artsy friends that you were… there was a spirit of the age literally hit you. You didn’t end up being an addict or something like that, but you were kind of cold to the things of God. So John called you on the telephone and offered you a job to be Worship Leader at his church and he wouldn’t take nom and he said “Can I come by and see you?” But coming by meant going from Pensacola Florida to drive to Tennessee and he could get there until about 11:00 PM. So he gets there at 11:00 PM and you want to make sure that he does not offer you the job, so you take him out to a bar. Tell me about what happened.
Lindell: I took him to a place that was really opened late at night where all of the kind of seedy folks go after dark.
Sid: (Laughing)
Lindell: And I thought you know I’ll scare him off, you know and then.
Sid: You would have scared me off but go ahead. (Laughing)
Lindell: And it’s so funny we sat down at a 4 top table and I had put together a list of 28 requirements I would have to ever take a job in church ministry again, I was just at that point. He sat down with me and he started talking to me. And I said “Look John, what are you looking for, what’s your job description?” And Sid by the Spirit of the Lord he started reading my list it had silly things on it like “I won’t do any office hours.” Nobody hires… you can’t hire someone without office hours are you kidding, I said “I won’t do them.” And he looked at me across the table not knowing what was on my list he couldn’t see it it was in the seat next to me. He said, “I would imagine someone who works the way that you do the office would probably not be the most conducive place to do music and create and that sort of thing, so just come to the office for staff meetings and that sort of thing. And then he just kept going 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
Sid: He didn’t see this list?
Lindell: He did not see the list; no way.
Sid: So he was speaking by the Spirit.
Lindell: Absolutely. The Lord was speaking to him through me to me through him and I started weeping. When he got to 6 or 7 on my list I started to weep. Because I’d just come out of a year and half I’d left a wonderful church and I was in a year and half of just crucible. I don’t know how to explain how it came, you know Peter denied the Lord 3 times but yet slept next to Jesus and traveled with him for years. So we can go through these things. And man he got to 6 and I started weeping and I put my hand up and I said “John I’m going to take your job, I’ll just take your job because I feel the Lord and I’m going to take your job but I want you to know I’m in no spiritual condition to be a Worship Leader at your church.” (Laughing)
Sid: Well again that would have closed the deal for me I would have said “Well I want to get out of this bar anyway goodbye.” But he didn’t say that did he what did he say.
Lindell: Sid, he looked at me and pointed that finger in my face and said “Son, you know how to get right with the Lord, you get right with the Lord and you be there Palm Sunday and I believe it was April 9th 1995 and start your job.” (Laughing) And that was that, and that’s what I did.
Sid: I bet you amazed yourself that you even did it.
Lindell: I did but you know what Sid honestly during that period of time between the time he and I talked and I actually started the Lord, the Holy Spirit got on me and started breaking me down. I literally wept for 2 weeks solid while I packed my things to go to Pensacola. I mean the Spirit of the Lord in conviction was on me and I wept and wept and wept. The Lord had already started the process, the minute I said “Yes.” You know if anybody’s listening sometimes if you’ll say “Yes to the Lord He’ll start the process.” But He doesn’t start the process sometime until we make the commitment until we say “Yes Lord I’ll do this” and then He’ll start the process and that’s what He did with me.
Sid: Now we’re going to play a song that came right out of the revival that you wrote yourself called “I Need You More.” Where did that song come from? I know it came from God but tell me the experience that God birthed it.
Lindell: It came from a time in the sanctuary with a good friend of mine that I’d known since I was a child. A pastor’s son came to visit me and stayed with me for a few weeks visiting revival. After lunch we were headed for the house and he said “Can we go back to the church?” Of course I’d spent so many hours at the church going home was a good idea but we walked around the sanctuary that afternoon, prayed awhile. Then he sat down next to me and said “I need to tell you I’m hooked on prescription medications and I don’t know what I’m going to do.” And so I began to pray with him and so arrived from that moment of prayer we walked over to the piano and wrote the song “I Need You More.”
Sid: I have to tell you the Holy Spirit interrupted this interview for someone that’s listening. “You get right with God as you hear:
“I Need You More” (Worship Excerpt)
Sid: That was “I Need You More” and I have to tell you I’ve been a believe over 40 years now Lindell and my honest prayer is “God I need You more than, I mean every moment I need you more than I ever had in my life.” I’m just more aware that I need Him more.
Lindell: I need Him today Sid. (Laughing) Go for it…
Sid: Well I’m going to tell you something.
Lindell: I need some support, I don’t know what’s going on.
Sid: Well how could you have taken a job and I understand Pastor Kilpatrick said to you almost prophetically he knew that something special was coming. What were his words when he hired you, this was before the revival?
Lindell: He looked at me in that restaurant/bar and he looked at me and pointed that finger and he said “You know how to get right with God, and he said “Besides God is about to do something and He wants you to be a part of it.” That’s what he said to me.
Sid: Okay.
Lindell: But Sid I felt the presence of the Lord is what you have to understand I was in such a dry place. And I felt, I knew what the presence of the Lord was like because I had experienced it as a child. So I knew that it was familiar to me, and when he started talking the Holy Spirit started speaking to me and I knew there was no way I was not taking this job. I knew that I was going to Pensacola.
Sid: Okay, you are there on Father’s Day 1995 revival breaks out there and you just happened to not be there, when did you first hear it happened?
Lindell: I heard it in KFK Airport on the telephone on Monday after Father’s Day.
Sid: How could you miss it? (Laughing)
Lindell: Well I had had a commitment to do a musical tour in the Ukraine and I was gone for 2 weeks and that was commitment before I took the job at Brownsville and I was flying back in. And I called John and I said “John, I’m back in the United States to let’s you know I’ll be home tomorrow sometime.” And he said “Oh Lindell, it’s happened, it’s happened.” I said “What’s happened?” He said “God has come, God has come to the church and revival is here, the Spirit of God is here.” And he started telling me what happened on Father’s Day and I started weeping on the phone, I could not wait to get back to Pensacola.
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SID: Okay. So Lindell is a worship leader in a very large church in, what is it, Nashville? And your career is zooming. You’re doing work with Dolly Parton, Garth Brooks. And he resigns from the church, and he decides he’s going to hang out with intellectuals. He starts studying psychology. And I don’t get it, Lindell. You grew up miracles. You told me stories about your mother and your grandmother dying of cancer, your grandmother, and she has a miracle, and she gets healed. You’ve seen all these things and you get to the point you get so cynical.
LINDELL: Yes.
SID: How does someone coming from here get there?
LINDELL: I guess, Sid, the same way Peter denied Jesus three times. You become so accustomed to what the Lord is doing and then you start reading books and you know, it’s important what we allow to influence us. It’s very important. It’s important the atmosphere we have at home. It’s important who we listen to, who we come under the influence of.
SID: Okay. You are unfortunately…so many young people this is happening to. So he gets, for lack of a better word, he didn’t go into blatant sin, but he gets cold to the things of God.
LINDELL: Absolutely.
SID: He even questions speaking in supernatural languages, which he’s done his whole life. So he gets a phone call from John Kilpatrick.
LINDELL: Yes sir.
SID: From Pensacola, Florida. John says, “I have a job for you.” Lindell says, “I’m not interested.” John says, “I don’t care. Lindell,” he says, “I’m going to meet you.” He gets to his hometown at something like, what?
LINDELL: Eleven o’clock.
SID: Eleven p.m. at night. And Lindell says, “I know how to get rid of this guy.” Guess where he meets. In a bar. Of course, that’s about all anything that would be open for a snack at that time of night. He figured that would do it. Didn’t stop John one iota.
LINDELL: Didn’t faze him.
SID: So Lindell has a backup plan. He writes down 27 things that have to be done where he goes to work, of which he knew none of them John Kilpatrick would agree with. Now John doesn’t even look at the list. I’m sorry, John can’t see the list. John proceeds to read the first seven things on the list without reading it, saying, “By the way, you can do this, you can do this.”
LINDELL: And they were insane. They were insane. No office hours. Nobody hires anybody without office hours. It was insane.
SID: Okay. So by the seventh, what happened?
LINDELL: And I put my hand up, and I go, “John, stop. Just stop. I’ll take your stupid job.”
SID: But then he says he’s cold and what did John say to you?
LINDELL: I said, “John, I have to just tell you, I have no business being a worship leader. I’m cold in the Lord.” And he says, “I’ve heard from the Lord. The Lord is about to move. He wants you there. You know how to get things right with God. Do that and be there Palm Sunday.”
SID: And you said?
LINDELL: Yes sir.
SID: Okay. Now there was a man that everyone has heard of, William Booth, founded the Salvation Army.
LINDELL: Yes.
SID: And he wrote a song, and he wrote a song. I’ll tell you what, Lindell, will you go out to the piano, and William Booth wrote this song because the believers were cold. Guess what? Lindell took that hymn and put a little Lindell into it, a lot of the spirit of God into it. I want you to hear Lindell Cooley, “Send the Fire.”
LINDELL [music, singing]: Oh God of burning, cleaning flame, send a fire. Your blood gets cleansing today we claim. Send the fire today. God of Elijah, hear our cry, send the fire. And make us to live our time. Send the fire today. Come and burn up every trace of sin, bring the life and glory in. The revolution now begins. Send the fire today. Send the fire, send the fire, send the fire. Send the fire today. It’s fire we want, for fire we plead. Send the fire. Only the fire of God will meet our every need. Send the fire today. Give us strength to always do what’s right and give us grace to conquer in the fight. And give us power to walk this world in light. Send the fire today. Send the fire, send the fire, send the fire, send the fire, send the fire. Send the fire today.
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SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome. Thank you. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Everyone is talking these days about blood moons. Why? We know from Joel that before the awesome great day of the Lord, the Day of Judgment, there’s going to be a moon that will be all red. But what most people don’t know is that every time, historically, where there is what’s known as a tetrad, a tetrad is four blood moons in a row. Every time there has been a tetrad on biblical feasts, not on the feasts that most Christians celebrate, but I mean on biblical feasts, something significant has happened to change the whole world. There is a tetrad that will occur this year and next year on a biblical feast and there won’t be another one for another 400 years. What significant thing is going to happen between this year and next year? I believe I have the guest that will be able to tell us that. So I’m watching television, I’m watching the major news shows and all of a sudden, internationally known evangelists are on these secular news shows talking about the blood moons. So I do a little research and I find out that every one that I’m aware of found out their basic information from Mark Biltz. Tell me a bit about your background that you know these things.
MARK: Well sure, I’d love to, Sid. To me, this is so exciting. I feel like just a little kid. And when I was little kid I loved astronomy. And I’d be laying down out on the grass. I’d be looking up at the heavens, like Psalm 19 says, “The heavens declare the Glory of God.” And I would be just be looking up and I just loved it, and I had a telescope. And I’d always being trying to find the moons around Jupiter and the ring around Saturn. And then as I got older and I became a believer and filled with the Holy Spirit, and I just loved God, and all of a sudden I found out about the feasts of the Lord, and I realized they weren’t the Jewish feasts, but they were the Lord’s feasts. And I’m going to NASA’s website because I love math, I love science, and I had seen this beautiful total lunar eclipse over the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. And I got to thinking about the Bible verses, you know, with the moon turning to blood and the sun to sackcloth. And so what I did I do? I said, let’s see if there’s any interesting eclipses coming up. And so I looked and I saw there were these four total lunar eclipses in a row. And I thought, well how often does that happen? And so I was going to NASA’s website and I saw it didn’t happen at all in the 1800s, didn’t happen in the 1700s, didn’t happen in the 1600s.
SID: So it’s pretty rare.
MARK: It’s very rare. As a matter of fact after my research, I found it has only happened eight times in the last 2000 years…
SID: That’s rare.
MARK: ..that these have fallen on the biblical feast days. But that’s what was so amazing. I’m in my prayer cloth, it’s about four in the morning. I was getting up early for a long time. And I’m praying, and all of a sudden, it’s like this voice comes and says, “Mark, put these on the biblical holidays.” Because when I was on NASA’s website, it like April and October, April and September, and it was like a download. And so I get all excited and I run out to my computer, and I get on the computer, and I see they fell on Passover and Tabernacles, Passover and Tabernacles. So now I’m ready to jump out of my skin.
SID: I’m sure.
MARK: I can’t believe this. Oh my gosh, you know. And so I go back and I look and then I see when else they happened in history, and it just blew me away.
SID: Well the thing that is so amazing to me, tell me about the last set of tetrads, that’s four of these blood moons in a row. One just happened to be in 1948. Another one just happened to be in 1967. What significant things happened in 1948 and 1967? I think all of you know. Do many of you know what happened in ’48 and ’67? But just in case.
MARK: Sure. The thing that amazed me concerning the math is, you know, according to NASA, over 5000 years you only average one total lunar eclipse every year and a half, and here we have four within a year and a half, and they’re falling on the feast days. And the last time that happened was when Israel recaptured Jerusalem in 1967 and 1968. When I saw that, it was like, oh good grief, this is supernatural. And so I go running back and I look at the next date and it was right after Israel became a nation in 1948. It happened in 1949 and ’50. And so now my mind is reeling. So I have to go back and I got to do some more research. And I’m going back and I find out it happened during the Inquisition, 1492, when Columbus sails the ocean blue.
SID: Now why was that? That was pretty bad for us Jewish people because we Jews were literally left, if we didn’t leave we’d be murdered. So it wasn’t too good for us Jewish people, but it had an effect on the world. What was that?
MARK: Well sure it did because they expelled all the Jews on the 9th of Av. And also in Portugal, in 1493, 1494, what happens, King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella are taking all the Jewish wealth, but that is what helped finance the finding of the New World and all the Jews coming over to America.
SID: So in your opinion, if the Jews hadn’t been expelled and Christopher Columbus, who is Jewish, and you told me also, as were a number of his crew, who were Jewish. Why? Because they had to leave Spain, they might not have not founded America.
MARK: That’s right. That’s right. That’s exactly right. And you know what? As I went back further, at the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D…
SID: That’s going way back.
MARK: Way back. Solar-lunar eclipses all over the biblical holidays and then during the time Messiah’s death, 32, 33 A.D., solar-lunar eclipses all over the biblical holidays. And so I’m thinking, God is true.
SID: I tell you what I’m thinking. We’re out of time right now. But when we come back, so what does this mean to us now? What effect, what significant thing is going to happen? Because we know that these four blood moons are going to occur this year and next year. We know that. We know they’re going to be on the biblical feasts, but we don’t know what effect it will have on us. We’ll be right back.
Tags: its supernatural, Sid Roth