Sid: I have Gordon Robertson on the telephone and many of you know Gordon from 700 Club and his father Pat Robertson, but what you don’t know is Gordon was pretty close to being like the prodigal son he wanted… he didn’t want ministry even from a young age he had prophecies he was supposed to be in ministry at the 700 Club. So he finds himself in India he literally got tricked to go there. He has what he calls a baptism of love. He has such a burden for the unsaved and he comes back because he’s a successful attorney he kind of doubts his call after all he spent 10 years working in law and he’s just achieving and his families used to standards and he saw what his mother and father went through when they went into ministry and he doesn’t want to do this. So he has a dream that is life changing; tell me that dream again Gordon.
Gordon: Well I’m in heaven with Jesus and it’s wonderful and he loves me and it’s great and I hear a noise behind me. I turn to look and there’s this dark chasm between me and a line of people I can’t count the number it just seems to stretch on and on and on. Their I’m in heaven and they’re obviously not and they’re in a place of darkness and their comes single file to a point at that point they all look up one by one they look at me and each one says “If you’d have come I would have believed.” Then they walked down into darkness and the next one comes up and points at me “If you had come I would have believed.” And it just cut to my core because Jesus had told me in the vision that “If I was the only one to believe He still would have come for me.” And here I have a dream of not just one but of millions who say that to me. From that point forward I couldn’t practice law anymore; I couldn’t devote my life to the things of the world I had to devote my life to preaching the gospel and letting people know so that they could have an opportunity to know Him and spend eternity with Him.
Sid: Now on April 1st, April fool’s day as a matter of fact, where significant things happened to you call your dad Pat Robertson tell me about that conversation.
Gordon: Well I called him after the dream and you know I want fatherly counsel what to do. So I go meet him and I don’t tell him about the dream I told him about the vision I didn’t tell him about the dream I just said “I think God wants me to quit my job and become a missionary.” And he looked at me and said “Well why haven’t you?”
Sid: (Laughing)
Gordon: And then got up and left the room. You know I was expecting you know God doesn’t work this way, you need to be careful with this you need to get 2 or 3 witnesses and all of that. And he cut right to the core “Then why haven’t you?” And so the next day I go into my managing partner and said “I need to quit I need to stop.” And at first he was worried was I going to go work for another law firm. And I said “No, I’m going to be a missionary which kind of took him aback and God’s sort of plan and He planned that one too where my managing partner was the son of a minister and understood what I was talking about. And I said “All I need is to be released from the partnership agreement.” And he said “I think we can do that.” And 3 months later I’m on a plane to Asia with my wife and year old baby girl. And starts an adventure that I’m still amazed at what God did.
Sid: And then you had another dream and in this dream you were in the Philippines you’re in a hotel tell me about the dream.
Gordon: We’d just finished doing an evangelism outreach to the prison in Bacolod in the Philippines a little tiny town. It was just one of those amazing days and everyone in that prison got saved that day.
Sid: Hm.
Gordon: It was truly incredible and that night I’m in the Lay Fisher Hotel in Bacolod and I have another dream and it seems to a season for dreams and visions. I have another dream and in that dream boatloads of Filipinos are going out to all of the world to preach the gospel. And for me that was okay here’s the answer to what I had experienced in India, what I’d experienced in that dream before I’d left that practice of law that I was going to train missionaries to preach the gospel.
Sid: And you did, you started a Mission Training School in the Philippians but then you get the burden to do television in Asia and you’re told “You can’t do that.” What did you do about it?
Gordon: Well I felt that God wanted to do it and people are telling you “You can’t do that” and God says “You can” and so you better go do it. So I started CBN Asia and then The 700 Club Asia and that became the model that was then reproduced throughout Asia there soon followed. It took 3 years to sort of perfect the model and prove that it worked. And then in the 4th year we branched out to Indonesia, then to India, then to Thailand, and then finally Hong Cong and Beijing. Literally in 5 years there was a CBN Indonesia, a CBN India, CBN Thailand, CBN China, as well as the flagship the mentor of all of them called CBN Asia.
Sid: So I would imagine you’re feeling pretty good you counted the cost, you did what God wanted you to do and it’s successful. He told you what to do and you did it and it’s successful. And you’re kind of minding your own business so to speak you’re at a speaking assignment and there’s some 25,000 people there and Bill Hamon; world class prophet is speaking and with 25,000 people he singles you out. Did he know you a head of time?
Gordon: No he didn’t know me from Adam I mean I was new to him I knew who he was because he had predicted who was going to be the President of the Philippines he had prophesied that over Ramose, President Ramose. When Ramose had just lost his own party’s nomination and that prophecy from Bill encouraged him and he decided to run again in the general election and he got elected. So when Bill Haman comes to the Philippines lots of people show up to see what Bill Haman has to say and what he’s going to preach. Anyway he gave his message, I’d just gotten off a plain from the Muslim area of the Philippians Mendel and I was frankly fresh from the mission field I wasn’t dressed really to be in public I was very much in need of a shower and a change of clothes. But I didn’t want to miss Bill, so I decided I’d come and sort of hide in the back and it was a good crowd so I didn’t need to worry about that and he pointed at me and said…
Sid: And you’re sure he didn’t know who you were?
Gordon: He didn’t know who I was.
Sid: I’ll tell you what we’re out of time we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast. But Mishpochah you can’t help but listen to Gordon Robertson and develop a passion for the unsaved. And there is a principal of going to the Jew first…
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SID: Here I am in Jerusalem, Israel at one of the neatest places on the planet, the empty tomb. And it’s because the tomb was empty, it’s because the Messiah rose and defeated death and sin, and the devil, that we have a victory, THE victory, in every arena in our life. And the question that many of you are asking is, by the way, I don’t know if you can hear the birds chirping, it is, I mean, it’s great to be alive. The question that many people are asking: who is the author of sickness? I mean, if God is doing this to teach me a lesson, if God’s doing this because I’ll have a great ministry to people that are, have the same affliction that I have, I’m not going to fight it. Well Kynan Bridges, I think this is one of the big problems. When someone gets sick, why do people just play dead, they just go along with it?
KYNAN: Well the main reason is because many people don’t believe that sickness is the oppression of the devil. But we know based on scripture, Acts 10:38, the Bible says how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost who went about doing good, healing all that were oppressed of the devil, for God was with him. So the first step people have to know based on the testimony of scripture, that sickness is oppression. Why? Because it prevents us from fulfilling our assignment of advancing God’s kingdom. God doesn’t want us in a hospital bed. He doesn’t want us confined to hospice care, because as long as we’re there—
SID: But wait. Is it always God’s will you be healed? Always?
KYNAN: Absolutely. In the Gospel of Luke, Jesus comes into the coast and the Bible says, “They brought all their sick to him.” And the Bible says, “He healed them all.” Now I did a word study on the Greek on the word “all”. And in the Greek, the word “all” means all.
SID: Did you get that great scholarship? Now Kynan, you’re provoking me to jealousy. You’re minding your own business at your bed, and at the foot of your bed, who’s there?
KYNAN: The Lord Jesus himself.
SID: What did he say?
KYNAN: Well I was sleeping and I get this wake-up call, if you will. And this is the first time I have this kind of visitation. And he’s literally standing at the edge of my bed, and he calls me by name, and I look up. He’s wearing all white. It’s so brilliant. It’s almost like you couldn’t see his face. And he begins to call out to me, and he says, “Wake up.” And I begin to wake up, and I kind of arise, like I’m sitting up out of my body, and I’m looking at him. And then he does the most interesting thing. He reaches into his heart and he takes his heart, and he extends towards me. Now this is not a gruesome thing. It was a spiritual thing. He extends his heart toward me, and his heart was beating at a certain frequency. And he said to me, “This is my heart for the nations.” And as he did this, Sid, it was almost like I could hear and feel his heart, and it was weeping. And he said to me, “Son, many of my people believe that I am the one causing them sickness and pain.” He says, “But that is not my will. I paid the ultimate price for them to be healed.” And his heart was broken for the nations because many don’t know the price that he paid for them. And I just began to weep when I saw this experience. And for the first time, I saw how Jesus feels when we mischaracterize him.
SID: And how do we mischaracterize him?
KYNAN: We blame him for our sickness. We blame him for our oppression. We blame him for the things that happen in our life. We feel, well this is God teaching me a lesson. God put this cancer on me to humble me. You know, the Bible says that, “He works all things together for the good of them that love him and are called according to his purpose.” And I call Jesus the Great Invader. You know why?
SID: Why?
KYNAN: He can invade any situation and turn it around for his glory.
SID: Okay. Shortly thereafter, you have another visitation.
KYNAN: Yes.
SID: Tell me about that.
KYNAN: So this time, the Lord tells me, “I want you to go into your prayer closet and commune with me there.” And I literally come, and I’m laying in my prayer closet, and I get into a fetal position, and I just begin to pray in the spirit. And as I do, it’s as if my spirit leaves my body, and I’m shooting throughout the stratosphere, like I can’t even describe how fast I was going. It was like at the speed of light. And all of a sudden, I come to a screeching halt. And in this encounter, I look across and I see what is the holy city, the heavenly Jerusalem, and it’s beautiful. It’s the most brilliant thing I’ve ever seen. There are golden clouds and the streets are paved with gold. And I wanted to come closer and see it. But as I tried to come closer, I couldn’t. It was like it was still blurry. I said, “Lord, what is going on?” And the Lord spoke the most humbling convicting words to me. And this is what He said. He said, “It is because of the condition of your heart.” Now here’s the amazing thing. I knew that the Lord was not just speaking to me, but He was speaking to his body. I was a representative of the church. And he wanted me to convey this message, because the Bible says, “Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.” Now that seeing God is not just talking about in the hereafter, but the church has been crying for healings, miracles, deliverances, and they’ve been wanting to see these things. And the sooner we align our heart with Heaven’s frequency, the sooner we will be able to experience the miraculous power of God.
SID: I want you to hear something that was life changing for Kynan and caused his faith to jump stratospheres, miles in the Heavens, when we come back
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Sid: I tell you we need a celebration because we’re about ready to see the birth of a brand new baby and you know what happens when a new baby comes on the scene everyone has work to do. Well there’s going to be such a harvest coming there are going to be so many new babies but Jesus said “You cannot put new wine into an old wineskin.” Why, the old wine skin will burst, it’ll leak it’s a big waste of time. Now wine is a type of the Holy Spirit. You can’t have this great outpouring of God’s Spirit unless you have the pattern right. That’s what God told Moses, you must do things according to the pattern that I’ve given you. And you know the game called “Telephone” I’ve played it as a kid, many of you must have played it. Where you whisper something in someone’s ear and then they whisper something in someone else’s ear by the time that it gets to the 5th, 6th, 7th person it’s so different it doesn’t even make any sense. Well, I believe that that’s what happened to Christianity. What we call 21st Century Christianity or church is so far removed from what the first church was like. You know how vital things were in the First Church? Do you know how excited people were? Have you ever seen a brand new baby that comes in into a family how excited these babies are over anything new that goes on, how they smile at everything. The most exciting thing for a family is to have a brand new baby. And these brand new babies are about ready to come in but is the wine skin going to be able to contain the harvest? I mean Amos I read to you yesterday in Amos the 9th chapter God says “The harvest will be so great you won’t be able to even get to plowing up the field for next year’s harvest because you can’t get all the fruit from this year’s harvest.” It’ll be the greatest revival in history, are you ready for it? Well you know I can’t really trust history. I wish I could say I do but I can’t because sometimes history is fabricated. There’s only one thing I can trust and that’s the Bible. And I know that if we can come close to the pattern set by God for the First Church then we can find out how we deviated and we can get right back and get the job done. You know what would happen, ponder this “What would happen if Jesus came to 21st Century America for the first time: There would be no Pastors, no Bible Schools, no professional clergy, no Sunday Schools, no choirs, no cathedrals, no televangelists, no Christian books. But He just came for the first time to 21st Century America and let’s suppose He revealed Himself to you, you know nothing about Him, you know nothing about Christianity. All you have is the Bible and you start reading it. Now the First Church didn’t even have the New Testament but I’m going to give you a little extra help after all we’re Americans we need a little extra help. I’m going to give you the New Testament and the Old Testament and the belief that Jesus died for your sins and that your sins are atoned for and that’s all you know and He’s real. By the way that’s enough, that was enough for 3000 Jewish people at Pentecost. What do you think these 3000 people did, they went into the First Baptist Church? No, there weren’t any churches, there weren’t any buildings called churches, there weren’t any professional clergy…what did these 3000 babies and that’s what they were. What did these 3000 babies do? Well, I can tell you what they did they studied the word of God. Now what do you think their view was on things like physical healing? You see they saw Jesus heal people, they saw the apostles lay hands on the sick. They saw Peter walk by and you get healed by just getting under his shadow. They saw him laying hands on other people just disciples and these disciples would heal people. They saw people from all levels everyone the least Christian was able to lay hands on the sick and they’d recover. And then they read the Bible they saw the healing in the atonement. They read the 103 Psalm “Bless the Lord oh my soul forget now all of his benefits; He’s forgiven all of my sins and healed all of my diseases.” And then someone walks up and says “Well God doesn’t do that today.” They look at you as if you are nuts. It’s too late He’s doing it it says it in the word. No tradition. Ooh, boy wouldn’t that be wonderful? What about things like end times, Israel? “God’s finished with the Jew in Israel.” You got to be nuts, haven’t you read that “The gifts and calling of God are without repentance.” Didn’t you look at Roman’s the 11th chapter? Here, don’t tell me God’s finished with Israel the Jewish people. What you think that God’s replaced the Jewish people with the Church? Well, take a look at Romans the 11th chapter. And remember you don’t know anything else except the Bible. Oh, let it be. Roman’s the 11th chapter says “I say then has God cast away His people?” Certainly not! I mean how much more do you need I say then (This is Roman’s 11:11) “I say then have they the Jewish people stumbled that they should fall, certainly not but through their fall to provoke them to jealousy salvation has come to the Gentiles.” So he’s talking about Jews and Gentiles. Why did salvation come to the Gentiles? To provoke the Jewish people to jealousy, don’t tell me God’s finished with the Jewish people. Listen to this the 12th verse. “Now if their fall is riches for the world and their failure riches for the Gentiles when the majority of the Jewish people didn’t receive the Messiah the remnant went out and shared the good news because they were called. Jewish people are called to be a light to the nations, the call that’s still there then Gentiles came in. And it says “If you were blessed in their failure imagine what’s going to happen to the Church it’s going to become the glorious church at their success.” When they come into the Messiah well here let me read it exactly. The 12th verse “Now it their fall is riches for the world and their failure riches for the Gentiles how much more their fullness for (the 15 verse) “For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world what will their acceptance be but life from the dead.” How do these people that into replacement theology deal with these verses? Well, here let me give you one that they might want to deal with. The 28th verse “Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake.” Who’s enemies, the Church?” Gentile Believers, Christians? No it’s the Jewish people. “Concerning the gospel they the Jewish people are enemies for your sake but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts of calling of God are irrevocable.” And you know what I’m so glad God doesn’t change His mind for say sin. If God changed His mind with the physical Jew what kind of security would you have. Let’s suppose He caught you in a white lie, let’s suppose He caught you looking at the wrong thing on TV? Aren’t you glad that God says “I change not?” If you can trust Him with His promises to the physical seed of Abraham how much more the spiritual seed of Abraham? You get it? I mean I just wish we could strip all of that tradition out of the Church. Now what about the pastor being everything in the church? The pastor is the evangelist, the teacher, the administrator, the fund raiser, the worship leader, and if it’s a big enough church then he may delegate some of those things. But that whole thing that’s not in the New Covenant. Do you know what the church is supposed to be like? It’s supposed to be everyone a participant. No spectator sport, that’s the way it was at the First Church. Today our church is looking at the back of the heads of people, that’s what church is; it’s who’s got the best show in town. The devil’s having a field day because people that have been raised on television. We’ve been raised to be in-active, we’ve been raised to be passive. And even in the church we’re raised to be passive. The pastor pulling his hair out trying to get people to do work but there’s something wrong with the system. The system has got to change because when the pattern is right the glory comes down. New wine needs a new wine skin, so how can we change the system. Oh, I know have spectator sport on Sunday’s and let’s have house group meetings. No, I believe we’ve got it in reverse. I believe the true church is the house group and the true churches can get together for corporate meetings. But the true church, could you picture if every street in the United States every block in the United States had a restored congregation in a house? Could you picture what would happen when they start inviting their neighbors that find out are sick. And let me tell you something you don’t find too many people dying of cancer the doctors have given up on that will not accept prayer. And if you say “We had someone come over our house group that had a malignant tumor in their breast and before they could even go to have surgery right after the biopsy we laid hands on them and prayed and they got healed and it’s Mrs so and so 2 doors away go talk to her; and next Tuesday night we’re getting together. And I believe, if you’ve never seen a miracle? I believe that the least Christian is going to be able to lay hands on. That’s what the First Church was like. You see the vibrancy and the excitement and you know what the meetings will be like? It won’t be one person giving a sermon; you know where that came from? The great orators from Greece and Rome; one best person gives the best show in town. What’s going to happen when the Holy Spirit moves on each person? It’s going to be like an orchestra, it’s going to be like a symphony. And it’s going to just make those beautiful sense because the Holy Spirit is going to orchestrate it and it won’t just be a message for one person, it’ll be a message by the Body for the Body of what God wants the Body to know. Well, I’m out of time…
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Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah because my guest is me. And this is our last week of broadcasts and you say Sid why are you so happy I’m so unhappy I’ve been listening to you for 20 years, for 30 years. I mean we started in 1977 with our daily show. But I have to tell we’re going to continue on radio, and I’ll tell you how you can get that and we’re going to make available to you free of charge our Its Supernatural Television network. You can actually go to the App Store and just put in Sid Roth and you’ll find it’s Sid Roth “It’s Supernatural” television network in High Definition. You’ll be able to get our television show and our brand new radio show.
So I was talking on yesterday’s broadcast about “They Thought for Themselves” and I remember I was writing a letter after God gave me a dream and He told me “More Jewish people would come to know Him through this book than anything I’d ever done. And it’s really a funny story I told you about on yesterday’s broadcast, but when I’m writing a letter I wrote we want to raise the money for 1 to distribute 1 million books. I looked at that and I said “Naw, we’ll never be able to distribute 1 million.” I want to send it to 1 million Jewish households, we went out to a list broker and bought the names and the addresses of Jewish people in North America. But I read it and I said “I can’t say this because frankly that’s a lot of money I mean do your own math I mean this is a big book and then the postage a million I can’t. So I argued with myself hopefully with the Lord too and He won. And we put a million and Bob who takes care of writing things and newsletters and stuff like that I think that he kind of choked a little when he saw the million also but we sent it out. But do you know to date we have mailed 1.3 million in North America. Do you know to date we have distributed 1.3 million in Russian throughout the former Soviet Union. I mean God didn’t just do a million, He did 2½ million. I mean God will do exceedingly abundantly above anything you have ever asked or think according to the power that dwells, you know where it dwells? In us, say “His power dwells in me.” Say it out loud “His power dwells in me and I can do exceedingly beyond anything I even think or ask according to the power that dwells within me.”
I want to tell you about my 2 favorite stories of Jewish people that have gotten the book. It’s a rabbinical student that studied in Israel, studied in other parts of the world. Studied in Yeshiva’s in Canada, I mean he went to Yeshiva in Israel, he gets a hold of my book and he calls me up and he says “I’m really torn I don’t know what to do I read your book and it answers a lot of questions but this is my whole life, I’m a Rabbi. All I’ve done my whole life is study Torah.” And so he’s going on and on and on and I said to him “You know the more you talk the more convinced I am that you already believe Jesus is the Messiah.” He said “Yes.” I said “Well, then you have to say it with your mouth in a prayer, can we pray?” And I had the high privilege of leading this rabbinical student to the Lord.
Do you know what else happened? I turned on the Jewish network, there’s something called the Jewish network on satellite and I don’t even know what the name of it is I found it one day and I just happened to turn it on and this Rabbi is on giving the boldest witness that Yeshua is the Jewish Messiah. And just think that’s just one story of all of those books that have been distributed worldwide. And the truth is we’re still doing it. We have so many projects to reach Jewish people because this is the set time to favor Zion.
Then my second favorite story is an Orthodox Jewish woman who I spoke to on the phone she got a hold of the book “They Thought for Themselves” she read it and she went a “Bissell Mashuga,” that’s she went a little crazy. Because she was not just Orthodox she was in a Hassidic sect of Judaism that it’s all community, they’re all together. I mean it’s her whole life, I mean she’s counting the cost now and she recognized it could cost her my marriage, it could cost me my family, I could get tossed out without anything. I mean that’s what happens in these communities. So she goes into her bedroom, she closes the door, she gets down on her face and she says “God please forgive me, kill me if I’m wrong but tell me the truth is Yeshua the Jewish Messiah?” And this is what she told me and I heard with my own ears she said “All of a sudden I don’t know if I was in my body or out of my body.” Remember she knows nothing about the New Testament, but all of a sudden I see a man and I look at His feet and they have holes in them. Then I look up His body He’s wearing a robe and I look at His hands and their pierced.” And then I look at His eyes and I saw such love I would follow this one anywhere,” and she became a believer in the Messiah. Her husband didn’t know what to do with her he says “When I come home I don’t want to see you, your confined to the bedroom.” One day but she’s goes out to the store he comes home early and he goes into that bedroom and he opens the drawer with Messianic Vision literature and he reads everything. Then she comes home and he says “Not only am I a believer in Yeshua, I want to become part of the “It’s Supernatural Mentoring Program.” He became a member.
Speaking of “It’s Supernatural Mentoring Program” wait to you hear this letter that I just got yesterday as a matter of fact. Let me read the first part of it; it comes from another part of the world.
Please help me Sid I watched you last night, actually I’m watching over 5 hours a day now from the beginning of July. I am trying to worship but nothing happens to me. I want to experience the Holy Fire you talk about, actually I want to experience Jesus; I want Him in my life I love Jesus; Sid I’m a Muslim, I love Allah and Jesus what should I do? Jesus help me! Pray for me, please what should I do?
Can you imagine this, a Muslim woman is watching our new “Its Supernatural Television Network” 5 hours a day as she’s provoked to jealousy, she wants the Holy Fire; she wants to experience Jesus. Is this amazing, well it gets even more amazing than that before I could even answer her she sent us $777 to send my book “They Thought for Themselves” to Jewish people so that they can get saved. Now tell me there isn’t a God.
I’ll tell you something with every event going on in the world today I have never in my lifetime seen such worldwide hatred for the Jews in Israel. I mean even real Christians are getting taught things that discount the Jew in Israel spiritualizing makes them think that the church is the new Israel, the church is the new Jewish people. Why? Because Israel and the Jewish people is where Jesus first came. Israel and the Jewish people is where Jesus is going to return, we are at what Paul calls the fullness of the Gentile Age. We are at the point where the Bible says “Salvation is of the Jew.” And Paul says “We owe a debt of gratitude to the Jewish people.” And then he gives the call for Gentile Christians and head this well. Romans 11:11 “Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy.” And I read a scripture yesterday and I’m going to read it again. John 4:36 “He who reaps receives wages and gathers fruit for eternal life that both he who sows and he who reaps may rejoice together.” We are sowing into Jewish harvest, it’s very important to help Israel and Jewish people in a humanitarian fashion, but how much more important about telling them about Jesus. I mean there’s only certain time in my life time that I’ve seen Jewish people being open to the gospel this is one of them.
So here’s what I’m recommending we have so many different ways from computer to iPhone to iPad to iTunes there’s so many ways you can get our radio and television show I want to send you a card that shows you all of the ways that you can do it even the television network is all free. And I’m telling you people are watching it 8 hours a day and coming out doing the same thing my guests are doing. I want to mentor you, I want to continue mentoring you. Everyone that calls our 800 # or writes to us or goes onto the computer Sidroth.org I’m going to tell you how you can continue being part of our Mishpochah, part of our family. And I want to send you something our very first 2 weeks of radio on Messianic Vision Cantor Bernier Rubinstein these 2 CD’s for a gift of any size.
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Sid: And you know I don’t even think Dr. James Maloney when I’m ministering with you the gifts start kicking in. Someone’s wrist, I don’t know what’s wrong with your wrist there’s a pain or something wrong your healed in Jesus name and pain of all type is leaving test your body where ever you have pain back, hip, neck wherever you’re healed. On yesterday’s broadcast we found out that James was mentored by Francis Metcalf who is now in heaven. And she had a visitation face to face with Jesus and Jesus described the last days and there would be believers raised up that would do the same work that Jesus did and even greater because He said that. And James even started experiencing some of the things that Francis Metcalf and the women and the men that were in prayer for all of those years with her to birth what is happening right now on planet earth. Two years ago he found himself flying through the air, he landed in was it Uzbekistan what were the other countries James?
James: It was Quakistan, Kyrgyzstan and one of those stans, it was on the border there probably Kyrgyzstan.
Sid: Okay, you were caught up in the Spirit because when I said yesterday you left out the most important person that made that trip, who was with you?
James: I was getting there, I look at all of those people and I found out that an evangelist had come there a couple of weeks earlier and shared the love of Jesus Yeshua and they gave their lives the Lord but they were sick and afflicted people I never saw such a sea humanity disease and infirmity, children that had their limbs blown off because of mines and this and that 100s. I’m just standing there thinking I’m all alone and for some reason I turn to the left and standing there right next to me was Jesus, yep.
Sid: Do you have any idea why these 50 or so people gathered at that spot at that moment.
James: Well, there was about 500 which end up being close to about 1500. They were there because either because of vision, dream, revelation, God speaking to them in the night hour meet in such and such place. I just suspect that it’s the Holy Spirit speaking.
Sid: Okay these people show up you show up, you see the Lord, what happened next?
James: Well, then He just as a matter of fact what was so remarkable was He really didn’t even look at me He just sort of just like matter of fact just follow Me this is just the par norm and He just started walking through the crowd. And He didn’t minister to everyone because not everyone needed healing but the vast majority did. But He would go up to certain individuals and when He would stop and then He would wait for me to step in. And I thought “What do you mean step in?” So I would reach out my hand toward someone laying there dying and all of a sudden they were my hands but then Jesus would superimpose Himself the only way I could describe it Sid. He would phase in and out and so they would see my hands and they would see Jesus’ hands. They would see His legs and they would see my legs, they would see He torso, my torso this went on for 3 hours. And the glory was so tremendous it went ahead of us about 4 feet, He never had to bind, lose, cast out really even speak a word. No healing, no miracle took less than 15 seconds and I watched the most amazing miracles. Ever limb…
Sid: Tell me a couple that you saw with your eyes.
James: Well, every limb that had been blown off because of mines or whatever they didn’t just grow out they just appeared, all of them were healed. Conjoined twins, I’ll never forget that was the most traumatic to me, there were 2 girls that were conjoined. They were about 14 years of age at the head; they just separated right in front of us, right in front of Jesus right in front of us.
Sid: A you’re telling me someone that had a limb blown off from a land mine you saw no leg and then you saw a leg was there; is that what you’re saying?
James: Yeah, it was just there, there was a 100 of those.
Sid: Hundred!
James: Yeah, yeah Sid there were 1000 – 1500 people by now. I mean blind eyes deaf ears, crooked body. I’m not embellishing here Sid I know…
Sid: Now these conjoined twins where were they conjoined together, their heads, their…
James: Their head, at the head yeah at the side and they just separated and I mean I went up to them and felt their head and you couldn’t even you know had ever been conjoined. And I mean panamonium broke out, I mean after 3 hours on this dusty road. It wasn’t desert it was like the steps towards greater hills which eventually you could look in the distant and see greater mountains. They were like you know the steps of something is the only way that I could describe it, there were Russian descent. Some fair eyes, fair hair but the vast majority were this Mongolian with Chinese looking eyes.
Sid: I would imagine that they were mobbing you to get you to pray for them.
James: Well they did after awhile they just they started coming in, I don’t know where they came from. I mean they just Yeshua, Yeshua, Yeshua they just started screaming Yeshua and He would just go up to them. Well to everyone that was healed there must have been 50 healed around them you know I’m just concentrating on the one person but what was amazing was it wasn’t just Him, it was me. But it wasn’t me it was Him in me, I was just a son of God an empty shell an empty vessel allowing the fullness of the Son of man to come in all of His glory, all of His faith, all of His power and wisdom and operate through me. That’s what Romans 8 is teaching is that we don’t become like little gods running around and working the works of Christ. We empty ourselves and die to the flesh so that Christ in His fullness can come Jesus Christ, Jesus Messiah can come in His fullness and minister through us….
Sid: Is that what Galations 2:20 says “I have been crucified with the Messiah, it’s no longer I who live but the Messiah who lives in me. Is that what that really means?
James: That’s what I believe that means, I never fully understood it. Now I know Galatians 5 speaks about be imitators of Christ, imitators of the Messiah as dear children. And you know there is a measure that we all have in the anointing of the Holy Spirit I’m not minimizing it I teach on that in Bible colleges. But the thing is this went further, this is the ultimate consummation, the ultimate expression of ministry that literally 100’s of 1000’s of believers will become sons of God allowing the Son of Man in His fullness their so empty and dead. It’s not you and I that lives but Christ that lives within us that He manifests Himself fully through us.
Sid: Now James I believe you however when you found yourself back at home how do you know that it just wasn’t a pizza dream?
James: Well, when I was standing there at the end and exhausted it was in real time so it was about 1:00 AM when I you know left, got back at 4:00 AM which would have been in the afternoon the next day there. I’m standing there and everybody’s screaming Yeshua, Yeshua, Yeshua and Yeshua turned and looked at me and He just matter of fact was quite humorous, He said “Am I not creator, Am I not not God is there anything too difficult for Me.” And immediately I was at the foot of my bed, I don’t know how I got there. I stunk, I was sweaty, I had dirt on my clothes, on my shoes, take a shower.
Sid: Well wait, “Is there any explanation why you had the dust and dirt on your clothes beyond the fact that’s where you just came from, is there any explanation beyond that?”
James: Well, no just that I was translated spirit soul and body to another country you know so…l
Sid: But to me you know that’s the kicker when you came back with the dust of that country, I mean you couldn’t have had that in your house.
James: Well no of course not, no you know it was just the same clothes you know and I think it was just amazing you know. And I think that its going to be one of many that I’m going to experience but I’m going to experience it for the purpose to help others that are called into this. And you got to walk real close to the Lord I know that there’s a lot of flakiness and fanaticism and excess. A lot of people think in their imaginations they’re having a encounters like this I understand there needs to be a balance you know but what I’m saying Sid is there’s no other explanation. I mean was it a vision, was it a dream? All I know us that it’s kind of hard to explain, I just was there experienced this amazing encounter with the Lord. And then I was back sitting on the edge of bed dirty, so I don’t you know….
Sid: Now you told me about how you were mentored by this Francis Metcalf. Is that the type of thing that all of those people were having and you didn’t even comprehend it back then.
James: No, I was a teenager I was a hippie I didn’t understand what they were experiences. Yeah, they were having that all the time they were going to heaven and coming back, going to other nations and this and that. And actually some of the nations that I’ve gone to in the past 40 years I found out that they were there 30 years earlier interceding for a week. They were transported there preparing the way.
Sid: Well, I have to believe your brand new book “Overwhelmed By the Spirit” and the 3 best messages we’ve put together on CD and we call this “The Forunner Foundation Package.” That’s what they prayed that into being, as you said you’re an extension of their ministry. The experience you had is going to be normal for those that understand and enter into the…I love the way you call about how to experience the Holy Spirit the glorious Intruder. And the Holy Spirit has been sent to empower us, to bring God’s plan to pass in our lives so many people don’t know God’s plan. Now you have a theological education, you’re an instructor for many years at Christ for the Nations in Dallas Texas. But the supernatural experience you teach and your whole purpose is not for you to do it but to mentor others.
James: No, here’s the key Sid if I could enter it real quickly I know our times short. Francis Metcalf made it very clear to me that when the time comes I shared the message on The Dove Company or The Sons of God Generation. …the next 20 years should Yeshua tarry. She made it very clear the Lord made it clear to her that they can enter into their inheritance. In other words my spiritual inheritance with the golden candlestick can become their inheritance.
Sid: Okay you heard it…
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