Sid: We want everyone to be so filled with the Spirit of God, so red hot for Jesus because we’re getting ready I can feel it I can taste it, I can touch it. We’re getting ready to move in the greatest healing miracle revival the world has ever seen, which is going to lead more people to the Lord than the world has ever seen. We’re getting ready for the great Jewish harvest which is going to be a catalyst literally of resurrection of the dead type of release of power of God that’s what Paul calls it anyway. Life from the dead that is going to breathe new life into the church when that ancient Jewish anointing and the Christian anointing merge together under the King of the Jews, Yeshua, Jesus the Messiah devil watch out. But I can taste that we’re getting so close and I have a man that I believe part of his destiny his partner Joan Hunter, who is the daughter of Charles and Francis Hunter, have got tools that are going to so facilitate what you’re about ready to walk in. I have on the telephone Michael Hinson. Michael told me a couple of days ago oh, is he provoking me to jealousy but the Bible says in Roman’s 11:11 that the Gentile believer is to provoke the Jew to jealousy. So he’s just doing what his DNA is created him to do. But I think he’s provoking a lot of people besides Jews to jealousy because I have in my hand right now it’s just almost literally off the press it’s his latest book it’s called “How to Heal the Whole Man” it’s actually a handbook which is effective prayers for body soul and spirit. And after the teaching portion of the book he goes into various conditions you just look it up and he tells you exactly the types of causes involved and exactly how you are to pray. Even, so this is designed to get you free but then you have you do what you’re created to do get other people free. So Michael give me a few examples of people that have been set free from the principals in the book.
Michael: Well, I can just use the ones from yesterday from the emails and the testimonies that come in on a daily basis, there’s so many people that get healed in all our meeting Sid, it’s hard to keep up with them. It’s rare not to find people healed. The principals in the book are very simple, if somebody has arthritis we talk about how to minister what the root causes could be from arthritis. We’ve taken the medical definitions, in layman’s terms, and presented it to you so that you know what it is. We describe what the root causes for arthritis are then how to pray for those people. People are buying the book and they’re picking them up and they’re praying for people and we’re getting testimonies now of other people that are being healed simply by people who read the book who have never prayed for anyone before in their life with success. They’re praying for people and their seeing them healed. Gum disease, arthritis, marital problems, sinus problems, osteoporosis.
Sid: Okay, let me stop you one of my staff members I’ll just use his first name, Carl has sinus allergy type problems that result in migraine headaches what do you feel the cause might be and I want you to pray for him and everyone that is listening that has any of these three conditions, sinus allergy or migraines. You say the prayer right along with Michael.
Michael: Sinus’s are extremely easy, they’re easy to take care of. Many times sinus problems have to do with hereditary conditions. The Bible says “Sins of the father are carried down to the 3rd and 4th generation until somebody in that family repents and ends it at that point. So we lead somebody in a very simple prayer to… we rebuke the infection which we’re going to do and then lead them in a prayer of repentance. This is very simple. And you can repeat this if you’ll repeat on his behalf just say this Father.
Sid: Father.
Michael: Forgive me my sins
Sid: Forgive me my sins
Michael: and the sins of my fathers
Sid: and he sings of my fathers
Michael: separate them from my family
Sid: separate them from my family
Michael: and put them on them on the cross of Jesus Christ.
Sid: and put them on them on the cross of Jesus the Messiah.
Michael: Free me from them
Sid: Free me from them
Michael: in Jesus Name.
Sid: in Jesus Name.
Michael: I equally free
Sid: I equally free
Michael: those who have sinned against me
Sid: those who have sinned against me
Michael: and of my family.
Sid: and of my family.
Michael: they are free
Sid: they are free
Michael: in Jesus Name.
Sid: in Jesus Name.
Michael: Okay that was really easy. Now for people that have sinus affections this is easy. In the Name of Jesus I command the blood vessels to open, all swelling and inflammation to leave, all the pressure in the sinuses to leave. I speak normal drainage right now in Jesus name. And any adenoids to shrink and I speak healing in the name of Jesus Christ; all the blood to flow normally, all pressure around the nerves to be reduced and all swelling and inflammation to go in Jesus Name. And I speak healing and cleansing now in Jesus Name to the sinus’. In the Name of Jesus for those that are suffering from migraines I command all the PH in the blood to be normal, command the chemical electrical frequencies naturally found in the body to be in their normal state in Jesus Name. I speak peace and healing in the Name of Jesus Christ and I speak cleansing now in Jesus Name. All the pressure to be released off the neck and off the back in the Name of Jesus and the pain to go right now in Jesus Name.
Sid: Pray for allergies.
Michael: Allergies is just as easy it’s a simple thing repeat this as well. Father
Sid: Father
Michael: Again forgive me of my sins
Sid: Again forgive me of my sins
Michael: and the sins of my fathers
Sid: and the sins of my fathers
Michael: and break this curse off of me and my family
Sid: and break this curse off of me and my family
Michael: and I release those
Sid: and I release those
Michael: who have sinned against myself or my family
Sid: who have sinned against myself or my family
Michael: In Jesus Name.
Sid: In Jesus Name.
Michael: Okay that’s easy. In the name of Jesus Christ I command the histamine levels to be normal and I command it to go back and into balance as well in Jesus Name in the Name of Jesus Christ. I command the immune system to balance out as well and I speak peace and healing in Jesus Name.
Sid: Amen. You know what’s kind of interesting I don’t have these conditions and your praying but boy I am feeling the power, there is power in that simple prayer. When people take your book “How to Heal the Whole Man Handbook” and pray the prayers. You’ve actually written the prayer out here I’ve noticed the same thing that same power is in the written word that you speak out loud just as if you were praying it.
Michael: And that seems to be common we found so many people that are saying the same thing they are picking the book up and they’ve never prayed for anyone before in their life and they’re reading prayers for their spouse or for their friend or someone at work or a classmate and people are getting healed. We’re getting testimonies from people that do hospital visitations all the time and they say listen occasionally we’ll pray for someone and they’ll get better. We’re watching them in the hospital recover as we say these prayers.
Sid: Tell me one of your favorite, this may be a hard question, but tell me one of your favorite miracles that you’ve seen.
Michael: Well, my favorite was probably ones of the ones in the beginning I went and I had been in the healing ministry exactly one whole day, been trained and I was starting to pray for people. And I came to this woman who had a bad back and when I got ready to pray for her she said “Listen Oral Roberts had prayed for me, and R.W. Schambach had prayed for me and went on to list all these other ministries that had prayed for her and I was so young in the ministry I didn’t even know who they were.
Sid: (Laughing)
Michael: I didn’t know who they were. So I went to pray for her and actually went to measure her legs like a chiropractor does to see how far her back was off and I raised her legs to fast and it caused her a lot of pain. And I heard real quickly that “She’s in pain” and I know Lord I just did that when I raised her legs, I didn’t mean to do that. And I found out that she had been in pain for 3 years where she had hurt her back. And I asked her s simple question, “What happened to you 3 years ago?” And she said “Her husband left her for the secretary.” He had been unfaithful for many years and she had put up with it but 3 years ago he finally left with a secretary and he left her. He ended up getting all the money and eventually the kids turned against her. She had lost everything at that time in her life. And I lead her in a very simple prayer of forgiveness where she released him, she had been trying to forgive him for leaving instead she separated the sin from him and released him from it. And when she did she started crying and I was crying because I could tell she was saying the prayer of forgiveness from her heart. And I said she looks ten years younger through tears. And when I dried my eyes she was ten years younger and she jumped up out of that chair and started jumping up and down and her back had quit hurting her totally, the surgeries and all the scars weren’t even there from where she had had surgery to get her back corrected. She was absolutely totally healed.
Sid: Now that’s really amazing the scars disappear.
Michael: I was in a meeting and we have one of the few meetings that we have on video with a gentleman who had rods in his back and he couldn’t bend over probably any more than about fifteen degrees and the rods were in his back. The doctor testified they put them there he could bend over and touch his toes. God just miraculously healed him, I don’t see that sort of stuff very often but I do see it. I’m still amazed at what God can do. There is no limit to His healing.
Sid: Michael very quickly because you deal with it in detail in the book how do you pray for someone with cancer.
Michael: Oh cancer, cancer is so incredibly easy. There are a lot of root causes but it is a curse so it’s very very simple to pray for cancer. Let me just do this, this is easy. In the Name of Jesus we curse that root of cancer and the cancer cells and command that spirit to release them. In the Name of Jesus any repentance for bitterness or anger or unforgiveness to go. We command the electrical frequencies and magnetic frequencies to be totally in balance in the body. And in the Name of Jesus we command the immune system to kick back into its normal place; we speak healing right now in Jesus Name.
Sid: We’re out of time. Michael thank you for being my guest.
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Sid: My guests by way of telephone from their in Foley, Alabama the heads of Global Childrens Movement, Jennifer and Jonatan Toledo. On yesterday’s broadcast we found when Jonatan was just 15 years of age he was on a mission’s trip to El Salvador, and he was in the ocean he was pulled out, he was about ready to die. It was one of these experiences where his whole life flashed before him. His biggest regret was that he had not lived his life to the fullest for God. He had lived for other things, was a good person, he loved the Lord, he loved his parents, but he saw how much he had missed and he totally surrendered. His father was there but he didn’t have the strength to swim to his father the current was too strong. As he looked into his father’s eyes, God gave him supernatural strength, not natural strength, supernatural strength. He realized later that it was like looking into His heavenly Father’s eyes. He survived, but he understood what it was to totally surrender. Then when you were empty, God started pouring in His compassion. Jonatan tell me about that.
Jonatan: Yes, you know that place where you die to yourself and you become aware with the desires that God has on His heart. You should see the compassion that He has for people, and the compassion that He has for the lost, for the poor, for the whole world. His desire to reveal His love to them through many ways. I came to find that the more you come in to knowing His compassion, and the more you get filled with His compassion, you start seeing miracles happen.
Sid: For instance, tell me about the little 5 year old girl that was mentally retarded.
Jonatan: Yes this 5 year old she was a beautiful little. We were in Oklahoma and her father was not even a believer, but they heard we were going to be praying for healing. So he brought this little girl, she looked completely normal she was a beautiful girl, but she had some problems with coordination and when I started praying for her the Father put her onto my lap. She just stared at me she didn’t know what I was going to do. As I stare at her I started praying for her and I started feeling this strong feeling like “Father how can You resist this little girl? I know as a Father You see, and this is Your little girl and how can You resist when You have all the power to heal it? How can You resist her?” As I was just filled with this thing I felt as my Spirit went higher, and when that happened I realized that what the Father was saying was “I can’t resist this little girl, I can’t resist her. Will you pray for her?” He was just waiting for someone to come and pray for her because His desire was to heal her. What I saw when I was in that place I saw 2 screens in front of them. One of them I saw how her life will be, at the same time I could see on one side how her life will be if she was completely healed. On the other side, I saw if she was mentally retarded, and so it was so different to see the desires that the Father has for her, and all the things that she was able to do. In the screen where she was sick, she couldn’t connect into friendships and her life…
Sid: Where she was retarded.
Jonatan: Yeah she was retarded. So she couldn’t… there was like all these things that I didn’t never think about that she couldn’t enter in that she couldn’t enjoy. I saw on the other side just all the desires that the Father had for her. So we finished praying at that moment, and nothing… I couldn’t see any difference in the little girl we couldn’t tell if something happened or not. About 3 months later we find out that this little girl was completely restored, that she was completely healed. Even the parents took her from this special school where she was and put her in a normal school. She was already picking up with all the other kids, and they told us she was still having some problems with coordination, but later on we find out that, you know, she was completely restored.
Sid: You know one of the things that impressed me was when you were crying out to Father God “God how can You resist her, how can You resist her?” What was going on within you when you cried that out?
Jonatan: I felt like I was like tapping into a compassion, at that point I wasn’t even married so I didn’t have a child, or anything. After feeling, I was feeling the heart of a father, you know in just saying… a father if they’re able to do something for their children I mean they will do anything for them. Like if they have the power to they will do anything for their safety. So I was just… I just started feeling the emotions that the heavenly Father had for her, and sometimes I feel like there’s like we can go and enter into different levels of His heart. When I felt like my spirit went higher I realized that these feelings actually were because the Father was saying that couldn’t resist it.
Sid: Tell me about the person with Downs-Syndrome, the little girl.
Jonatan: There was this little girl about 8 years old, and we were in Puerto Rico with my friend Shawn. After the meeting we were very tired, and you know we were done for the day. This mother came with her daughter and so she was Downs-Syndrome. We started praying for her, and to tell you the truth I was almost thinking “I don’t even know if I have the faith to see this girl healed.” I knew that the Father loved that girl and I knew that His desire was to heal her. So we pray for her and we came back to the states, and some months later we got on the mail a picture of this little girl. We didn’t even recognize her in the beginning because her whole face, the features of her face were completely transformed.
Sid: I know what a child looks like with Downs-Syndrome. You’re telling me that God not only healed her on the inside, but healed her on the outside?
Jonatan: That’s right her whole face was completely normal, she looked like a normal little girl.
Sid: You know I’d like you to put Jennifer on very quickly. We’re going back to Jonatan’s wife Jennifer Toledo. Jennifer is it true that when you equip children for ministry sometimes they clear out entire hospital wards by praying for the sick?
Jennifer: Yes we’ve seen that actually a couple of times.
Sid: How about the multiplying of clothing, or food?
Jennifer: Yeah on our last trip actually we went into Rwanda and Kenya, and we took 8 suit cases of clothing to orphans. Eight suitcases you know that’s not a whole lot, but we ended up being able to clothe hundreds and hunreds, and hundreds of kids, and the clothing never ran out. I’m telling you each kid walked away with a bag full of multiple outfits, shoes, and it just kept reproducing. In fact, we had so much by the end we were going to the hospitals, going to different orphanages, giving bags and bags of clothing away, and we could not get rid of it. We ended up coming home…
Sid: Now wait a second, are you sure someone didn’t just keep putting extra suitcases in from someone else’s supply?
Jennifer: Impossible. We only took and we had them with us the whole time. Eight suitcases of children’s clothing … I’m telling you it was amazing it was such a beautiful picture because those clothe we had gotten were donated here in the states. We had very nice clothing, I mean like name brand clothing for children, brand new clothes. We took them, and I’m telling you God supernaturally multiplied them. It was unbelievable literally unbelievable, I mean some kids… I think of this one little girl, a little baby, had been found in a trash can living in an orphanage who’s 3 months old. She got 20, 20 brand new dresses. There was more, but I thought she’ll never, you know, she can’t wear all these. I mean we had so much it just kept reproducing.
Sid: Now I know what this did for the children, but what did this do for you and your husband?
Jennifer: Oh my goodness, it just gets us so excited. I mean… you know honestly sometimes we feel like we’re just way out there on a limb. We think when you see the poverty, sometimes it feels so overwhelming. When you step back and see God step in, we’re continually reminded, you know what, this is His job. He loves these kids more than we do, He is the God of the poor, of the orphan, He is a Father to the fatherless, He will provide for them, He just wants to partner with us to do it. So we get so encouraged that you know as long as we bring our little, I tell people just bring your little sack lunch. What’s in your sack lunch? I think of the little boy who just brought his fish and his bread to Jesus, and Jesus multiplied it. Whatever we have if we just bring it to Him, and willing, He’ll multiply it.
Sid: Oh Jennifer we’re out of time.
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Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah. I think anyone would be red hot for the Messiah if they came out of nowhere. A Jewish believer in the Messiah, a total unknown, he writes this first novel and he just happens to hit things before they happen. Some of the top people in America are calling him, they’re calling Joel Rosenberg a modern Nostradamus, no he’s not! He’s just a Jewish believer in Jesus that has read the Bible, has inside information on what’s going to happen. I mean his first book “The Last Jihad” for 11 weeks was on the New York Times Best Seller list. It became number one on Amazon, his 2 books there are over 1 million in print, and he is so excited because God has now given him the platform and the book, it’s called “The Ezekiel Option.” It reads like todays newspaper, it involves countries that are doing things although when did you write this book, it sounds like you wrote it yesterday Joel?
Joel: [Laughing] Well I wrote it last year. In the publishing world it just takes a while for it to come out. You are there are events even now that are happening that make it feel like I just ripping right out of the headlines.
Sid: Tell me a little bit about the book. Just kind of whet our appetite.
Joel: Sure.
Sid: But I have to mention this Mishpochah, if you weren’t listening on yesterday’s broadcast he works the gospel into this secular book. Endorsed by some of the top secular radio talk show hosts in America, but go ahead.
Joel: Well that’s the whole reason I wrote it, but I’m trying to write political thrillers that draw you in on an exciting adventure story then the spiritual temperature goes up and you get the gospel. In this case, somebody specifically makes the decision to receive Christ and the prayer that the person prays is right there. They’re supposed to be New York Times Best Sellers with the gospel woven throughout. “The Ezekiel Option” this is a story I really set out to write several years ago this is the book I wanted to write and finally felt like I had the skill and the information to do it. The American president is pressuring Israel to make a peace deal with the Palestinians. Saddam is gone, Arafat is gone and he believes now is the time to make a peace deal, but a dictator, a fascist dictator, starts rising in Russia and builds a nuclear alliance with Iran, and builds a coalition and says to Israel “You have to give up all your weapons of mass destruction including your defensive nuclear weapons in 30 days, or Russia and Iran their coalition will do to Israel what the US, the British, and our coalition did Iraq.” It’s a worst case scenario but it’s a scenario that’s consistent with the prophecies of Ezekiel chapter 38 and 39 which says that a dictator with the title of Gog from the land of Magog, which is Russia…
Sid: One of the villains his name is Gogolev. Did you do that because of Gog?
Joel: The first book, two books ago, knowing this is where I was going to go with this.
Sid: Ha.
Joel: And so this Gogolev character builds an alliance with Iran, at just very similar to the alliance that’s being built right now between Vladimir Putin and with the Muahs in Tehran. I wanted the book to feel as real as it could for contemporary, and yet as Rush Limbaugh said “This book feels like an episode of the thriller show 24, but with a supernatural twist.” I like that insight from him because this book does have a supernatural twist in that in Israeli nuclear doctrine if the Israelis ever find themselves where they’re about to be all wiped out; 6 million Jews destroyed, the decision of the Israeli government has been to call their nuclear doctrine the
“Sampson Option.” In other words, just as Sampson in the Bible he said “God if I’m going to die let me take everybody with me.” If the Israelis feel that they ever get to the point where their country will be annihilated that they will fire their nuclear weapons out at their enemies and take everyone with them. That’s the “Sampson Option.” The “Ezekiel Option,” again I don’t want to give too much away in terms of the details, but just to say that…
Sid: Listen you’re going to have so many millions of people reading this book. We’ve got listeners right now that are looking for exciting reading that isn’t going to be the trash that they normally have available. That it’s going to be so riveting but it’s based on Biblical things with current events I can’t wait for our Mishpochah to get this. Go ahead Joel.
Joel: If a person spends some time reading chapter 38 and 39 of Ezekiel they will find it to be at times a little complicated because there’s strange names of countries that will arise in the future; it’s hard to know exactly what those names mean, but as you read “The Ezekiel Option” it would be as though this Biblical prophecy were to happen tomorrow. What would that feel like? What would happen if the world turned against Israel? That the United States itself was tending to abandon Israel, and Israel had no option either the “Sampson Option,” or what Ezekiel says will happen, which I won’t give away here on the air right now. What’s interesting to me Sid is that when people say “Well Ezekiel 38 and 39 that’s sort of an obscure prophecy, and who knows when that’s going to happen.” Okay fair enough we don’t know exactly, but what’s fascinating…
Sid: Many prophetic people I know say “It’s right on the horizon.”
Joel: I agree because Ezekiel 36 and 37 are already coming true. The valley of the dry bones is the story of Ezekiel 37, where Israel reconstructs as a country and the Jews pour back in from the nations. This is happening, this is happening. If 37 has happened how far away could 38 be? Now again the great thing…
Sid: But what about Russia the big bear. It talks about that and Russia doesn’t look like it’s ready to take on the world.
Joel: You know I have to say actually I think it does increasingly. I was in Moscow last fall and I took my father whose family as Orthodox Jews escaped from Russia during the pogroms in the early 20th century, 1907 or so. He had never been there, I had to the Soviet Union in 1986 to smuggle Bibles in and share the gospel with young people. So I took my dad there and we met with the top political leaders in Russia, the New York Times Bureau Chief, senior leaders of the American Embassy in Moscow. I asked all of them “I’m not saying that Putin is the Gog character in the Bible, but tell me what is he doing that seems to be turning the clock back to an authoritarian time?” My goodness they went on and on and on telling me all the things Putin has done to roll back democracy. For example, cancelling all democratic elections for the governors of Russia, he now appoints them directly. He’s throwing business leaders who oppose him in jail; he’s taking over the TV stations; he’s building a new nuclear missile called the “Satan” rocket.
Sid: Say that again.
Joel: The “Satan” rocket, SS-19, their refurbishing and advancing a new version…
Sid: Now the devil can’t be that dumb to be so blatant can he? [Laughing]
Joel: I know it’s… that’s what I’m saying where the world is focused on the Middle East right now Putin is becoming a dictator. Now again I want to be very clear to say we don’t know that he himself is the character that Ezekiel writes about.
Sid: But if he isn’t he is sure the forerunner of it.
Joel: What’s interesting now he is building an alliance with Iran. For the first time in all of recorded history since Ezekiel wrote this prophecy 2500 years ago, Russia for the first time has built a military alliance with Iran. They have built Iran’s first nuclear power plant which will come online next year; they are sending nuclear fuel to Iran early next year; they have sold missiles and tanks and submarines to Iran. Why Iran? Iran is the most dangerous terrorist state on the planet, and yet Russia who says they are partner for peace is building an alliance just like the Bible says that they would.
Sid: This is so amazing last year you started on this book and you have all these nations. You have the same things happening that are going on in the headlines today. I happen to believe you really got a prophetic insight to what’s going to happen in the future. I’ve got to ask you this, did you really feel the hand of God when you wrote this book?
Joel: I did. I have to tell you in a way that I never really expected. Starting with the first one “The Last Jihad” and “The Last Days” which this was all a theory, a plan, from the beginning. Now when you write your first novel you don’t know if the plan will be fulfilled. I knew… Iraq is not in the list of nations that Ezekiel says is going to attack Israel. Babylon is never mentioned, and that gave me a difficulty when I wanted to write this book I realized I had to start with a book that would get rid of Saddam Hussein to make it plausible. Because Iraq is not a country that will attack Israel in this war of Gog and Magog, so I had to write a book that would get rid of Saddam Hussein that was “The Last Jihad.” It’s clear that Arafat’s role was not in this prophecy, we probably have the time to get into the details of that but it’s in the book of course “The Ezekiel Option.” So I wrote another book about… how might Arafat leave the scene and what might happen next. Now that set the stage for me to write “The Ezekiel Option.” One of the things that’s fascinating to me Sid is that Ronald Regan both as governor of California and as president was totally intrigued with Ezekiel 38 and 39. I did research in which I found very incredible forces including Reagan’s own official biography that Reagan talked about Russia being the country of Magog, and that Meshech, the city mentioned in Ezekiel 38 was actually Moscow.
Sid: That explains why he was so ferocious against Russia in those early years. You know we’re out of time.
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Sid: I have Dawna DeSilva and Teresa Liebscher on the telephone; they head up a ministry called Sozo from Redding, California. And they have developed from various other ministries and from the Holy Spirit tools to set people free. There is difference between coping; there is a difference between being free one day at a time and khofesh it’s the Hebrew word for freedom. And the Messiah came to set the captives free; not to get you free one day at a time. There’s something better and so. I would… you know you talk Teresa about walls that people put up. Would you explain that and explain how we could be set free from these walls?
Teresa: We do put walls up and it doesn’t have to be like a brick wall or a concrete wall; it can be a statue or being dug underneath the ground. We construct things around us to stop pain and the negative stuff in the world to come at us.
Sid: Give me an example of a negative thing and a wall that would prevent it.
Teresa: Well, one of the biggest things is we put the wall up to protect us from the pain that other people bring to us because they don’t treat us the way that we want to be treated so they do treat us mean. Or they…
Sid: So perhaps we don’t get close to someone for fear that they’ll hurt us.
Teresa: Correct. So we put this wall up that protects us but it also keeps all the good things out. And a lot of time keeps the Lord out too because He gets put on the other side because we don’t know why he’s letting this happen to us or what’s going on so we put these walls up. What we love about the wall is that we can ask the Lord to come and He either will show us why the wall is up there whether it’s fear, or anger, or other reasons other things that we use to protect ourselves. And He comes along side and He can hand us a tool; we ask Him to show up and show us a wall; show us where He is in relationship to the wall. And then ask “What’s the tool you want to give them to take the wall down?” And He can give us a toothpick an icepick a tank; a water gun we’ve seen all kinds of things. And then we ask the person “What do you want to do with the tool that Jesus gave you?” And they use the tool and most of the time the wall goes down; and when that happens then they have there’s nothing between them and the Lord; there’s nothing between them and the other people. But the Lord is there with them because He’s the one that came and took the wall down; He’s the one that showed them that He’s going to be there. He’s going to give them a tool; He’s going to be beside them. He’s going to team up with them to be able to protect them; take care of them do whatever is necessary to make sure that the wall doesn’t have to be there.
Sid: Dawna let me ask you a question; when people use these simple approaches all of a sudden they start having intimacy with God the Father; with Jesus; with the Holy Spirit. Do you find that when some of these walls come down people get physically healed; they could not be healed before?
Dawna: Yes, we had a gentleman on the coast who had not worked for years and he said “He used to just chew on Vicodin to make it through the day; he’d get up with coffee and take 3 or 4 Vicodin and then just chew on them all day long. And what we found out in a very simple process was that he had when he was a young child he had said to his dad “I just wish you were dead.” And his dad was killed that day in an accident; and when we went to the situation he broke down the wall of shame, guilt and he got up and he had had back pain and couldn’t work. And he got up and did cartwheels across the stage. Just got totally physically set free.
Sid: Dawna on the whole subject of forgiveness many people teach on forgiveness but you have found that if this can’t be overcome there’s not much help you can give people.
Dawna: No, it’s kind of hard because in Matthew He tells us that “If we will not forgive basically God locks us away in prison until we basically cry out uncle, this hurts us enough I’m going to choose to forgive.” Mostly forgiveness unlocks all of the areas in our lives where we hold bitterness, jealousy, anger and we are locked away in the prison until we choose to forgive.
Sid: Can you give me an example of someone that was locked away set free and what the difference was.
Dawna: Well, anyone who has been physically harmed in anyway lives with that fear until they get free. I had a young lady who had an attempted rape on her and she just couldn’t sleep; she couldn’t have people stand behind her in the grocery line. We took her to the situation and Father God actually in reality right before she would have been raped the elevator came down and opened and there was no body in the elevator and Father God showed her He was in the elevator and the perpetrator stopped and ran off and she was able to forgive the perpetrator and to receive that God was there for her and helped her. And she does not deal with night trauma, or pain, or fear at all.
Sid: God we spoke about this earlier but I’d like you to express this again about it seems as though the areas that we’ve had the biggest problems that unlock our destiny; explain that.
Dawna: I’m not exactly sure how it happens but I have just chosen to believe and this is not theology; that when we’re born there’s like a neon sign that says our destiny. Because you can look at the attack of the enemy and see our destiny. We had a gentleman that was a drug addict he was a really neat guy but he’d been brutalized when he was young. He had a spirit of isolation on him; even to the point of ending up with AIDS and so he had to isolate even more. And every time that man would get to the hospital he would save the nurses; they would reach salvation. That man had evangelism all over him and it’s the enemy’s way to keep him from speaking to anyone because if he got out they’d get saved.
Sid: Well, I see that somehow the devil has insight and he sabotages us before we even get started.
Dawna: Yes; yeah my wall was hopelessness. I would put hopelessness up and it protected me from you letting me down. If I never hoped that you would come through for me that when you didn’t come through for me it didn’t hurt me. But what is faith? Faith is a substance of things hoped for and I really feel like my destiny is to walk in faith. And the enemy knew that if he could keep me from hoping I would never attain faith.
Sid: There are people that have had loved ones that have had all the faith in the world and have died; and they believed with their last breath. And they say “Well, if that person couldn’t get healed than I’ll never get healed and they’ve backed away from healing” and just put 100% faith in doctors, is that part of what you’re saying?
Dawna: We need to make sure that we do not change what scripture says based on our experience and it is so hard. We believe that God has given Redding to be a cancer free zone. In this place we have buried some of our patriarchs through cancer and we continue to reassure ourselves that God’s word to us is true. And that what He said in the Bible is the same today and tomorrow.
Sid: But people have put up these barriers; these walls because of their experience.
Dawna: And what we need to do is let them go; we need to say “I forgive God.” And we’ve actually had people say “I forgive You God for not healing my mom, for not healing my dad and I choose to believe that You are the God of scripture.” And in the great hall of faith in Hebrews they died not receiving the promise.
Sid: But let me ask you something, you said you had some people in your congregation die from cancer; have you had some people healed of cancer?
Dawna: Oh yes, yes we’ve had far more healed than we’ve had pass away from cancer.
Sid: And you really believe you’re going to be a cancer free zone; people are going to send their cancer patients, doctors will send their cancer patients to your church because the minute they walk in your city the cancer demons will leave.
Dawna: I believe that to be true.
Sid: Dawna seeing the marvelous results you get from your Sozo so it must be very frustrating knowing that there are so many walking wounded around that could be healed.
Dawna: It is very frustrating; and yet we take each and every freedom as a step forward to advancing the kingdom. And so we enjoy that so many people are getting free but they’re so many wounded that still need to get free.
Sid: If there is just one thought that they can grab out of this their one step closer to being free.
Dawna: Definitely.
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Sid: The Jew and Gentile are One New Man, and that is what Paul refers to as the glorious church in the book of Ephesians. Why? Because there’s something when the Jewish anointing attaches with the Christian anointing all in Jesus that releases the fullness of the glory of God. It’s called the glorious church because it’s so pregnant, so electrifying with the power of God. I tell you I read a book called “The God of Now” subtitled “Pearl Will Live and Not Die.” It’s short it is only 85 pages, but it is so filled with victory over disease. It will electrify, it will charge your faith to the max. I have this couple on the telephone; they’ve paid the price, they’ve tested the word, they have learned how the devil operates, they have learned how to manifest that healing in this life. Yes it’s going to be fine when we get to heaven we won’t deal with the devil, we won’t deal with sickness, but in this life with an imperfect devil, and an imperfect world we deal with sickness. It’s time for God’s children to walk in divine health, but even more important than that to walk in the supernatural, to lay hands on your neighbor see them recover then lead them to the Lord. I spoke yesterday to Dale and he carries such a powerful anointing for healing. I’m gonna turn him loose a little later in the week to pray for you. I have his wife on the phone right now, actually they’re both on the phone. Pearl in 1975 you had an attack that the doctors said you should have died. What happened?
Pearl: Well in 1975 I was 32 years old, I was an active mother with 3 children, and we had just come back from a vacation out in California, which had been a dream vacation. The one thing we need to realize is that when things are going good the devil is going to attack and we need to recognize his attack. So it was about 2:00 on a Thursday morning and I woke up and I had such a pain in my heart. I said “Honey my heart, my heart!” He took me downstairs, he carried me downstairs of the parsonage and he laid me across the couch and he was looking for life in my being. He could not find a pulse and started to say “Lord you can’t take her God, don’t take her.” He was ignorant at that time and did not know his authority. God in His mercy wrote on the wall supernaturally a large area that said “If you will apply the blood over your household the death angel shall depart.
Sid: Dale, you really saw this before your eyes?
Dale: Yes sir.
Sid: Had you ever seen something so supernatural like that before?
Dale: No I haven’t that was supernatural.
Sid: That is amazing, and what did it say?
Dale: It said “If you would apply the blood over your household the death angel shall pass over you.”
Sid: Sounds good to me. What does that really mean?
Dale: It means that he has to leave. The blood is our life giving substance our protection.
Sid: So what did you do when you saw that on the wall?
Dale: I spoke it. I said “In the name of Jesus I apply the blood over pearls life. You death angel you must go in Jesus name.” Immediately she leaped in my arms and she said…
Pearl: And I said “Honey read the word.” That’s what we did for the rest of night is we read the word and we praised God. We had no idea what had really taken place. Two days later it was Saturday morning and I woke up with a pain in my leg, and Dale being the avid trout fisherman that he was could hear the fish calling for him to come fishing…
Sid: [Laughing]
Pearl: So he laid hands on me and he went fishing. While he was gone for a couple of hours it got worst. So I called a lady at the church and she gave me the name of her doctor because we didn’t have one in that area yet. When he came home I said “Honey you’ve got to take me to the hospital. I called the doctor he said ‘Lady it sounds like you’ve got a blood clot in your leg get up here as soon as possible.’” So Dale took me to the hospital and it was confirmed that I had a blood clot in my leg. They put me on a blood thinner and put me in the hospital and I wasn’t allowed to get out of bed or anything. Then Monday morning came and my doctor with 4 other doctors and 7 nurses came into the room. My doctor sat on the edge of the bed and took my and the rest stood around and he said “Young lady you should not be here, you should be dead.”
Sid: Hmm.
Pearl: I said “Why” he said “Because you have had one-third of your kidney explode, that means that the meat particles and blood clot had to go through your heart and brain. It is impossible for you to be alive.” I said to him “When did this happen?” he said “I don’t know but it was a very short time ago.” Then I knew what happened on Thursday night. They left and it was about an hour later and a young man came to my room and said “Are you Pearl Raatz?” and I said “Yes.” He said “I Merlin Roberts from the funeral home here in Ashland and the doctor called me and told me I had to come and see a miracle” because I was in his hospital when I should have been in the morgue. I led him to the Lord and it wasn’t an hour later and his wife come and she said “I am Sharon and my husband told me about you.” I led her to the Lord and we became good friends with them.
Sid: Pearl what actually happened to your kidneys?
Pearl: Well when they took the x-rays they found that one-third of my left kidney had exploded ripping off that third leaving meat particles and blood clots in that mess of my body, only it was gone. Several years later I went to the doctor again and they did x-rays and they found out that my kidney had not only regrown back on, which they said was impossible to be done, but God used His signature and it has cross stitches all the way around it, and I have 2 full kidneys.
Sid: Cross stitches? Who stitched it?
Pearl: God. I believe that was His signature.
Sid: Huh! Well…
Pearl: God did a creative miracle. I didn’t do it just good but I left My signature on it.
Sid: [Laughing] You know Mishpochah it’s wonderful that Dale and Pearl have had these wonderful physical healings, but what is even better is they are supernaturally equipped because of the experiences they have gone through. They are seeing so many miracles, but I have to think this was all in preparation Pearl for the big one because on February 15, 1997 what happened to you?
Pearl: On February 15, 1997 I had a brain aneurism, which at the time when it happened doctors said “97% die instantly of the 3% that are left 95% of them will die within a very short time, and if there’s anybody left after that there never coming out of a coma. If for some rare reason they will come out of a coma they will never know anybody, they will never know anything they will be a vegetable.” My children and my grandchildren were prepared that if I should ever come to which was impossible that I would not be there mother and grandmother as they knew me.
Sid: Dale tell me from memory what you observed when this first happened.
Dale: When this first happened it happened in a church and she screamed out “My head! My head! My head it just blew off!” as I was standing by her. She went into convulsions and into a coma. The first thing came out of my spirit was “Pearl you not die but live declare the works of God.” The next thing I remember saying “In the name of Jesus I apply the blood over you, you death angel must go.” I didn’t realize how serious it was till she laid across that pew that we could not find… you know she laid there as a dead woman. I thank God for the word. I remember they took her to the hospital the ambulance finally came, and the doctor met me at the ambulance, he came out of the ambulance. He said “Oh my gosh she’s totally paralyzed.” What happened immediately that she had the brain aneurism that exploded in the center of her brain that totally paralyzed, gave her a massive stroke. She had no life in her from her neck down she was totally paralyzed. Then from there they said “We have no facility our facilities are too small here we have to take her to a bigger hospital.” That’s when he transported her to the Green Bay Hospital. I remember it was about 10:00 at night when we finally got down there. This brain surgeon that met me he talked to me and he said “Really there is nothing we can do.” I said “Aren’t you gonna operate on her?” he said “We’ll see.” So we realized sometime if we don’t be persistent with our faith we will agree with him, but I knew what the word said to me. The following Sunday morning, this happened Saturday I met him Sunday morning and I said to him “Doc you’re gonna operate on my wife.” He said “The operating rooms are all full.” I believe it was a testing for me was I going to walk off, or was I going to be persistent and walk in the love of God? I believe faith operates through love. So I was persistent. In the afternoon the same message, and the evening they finally took her and said “We’ll see what we can do.” When they operated on her it took about 4 hours that evening. They had to cut her from ear to ear put her scalp back and take a 3×4 plug on top of her head. When they went in to operate another vessel broke…
Sid: I’ll tell you what we’re out of time right now…
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